Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"

Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"

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MrCarPark

528 posts

142 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2014
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To believe anything but the official explanation you must believe that Inmarsat would deliberately mislead the investigation.

What's in it for them to do that? Why would a global communications company risk its reputation when the easiest way for them to cover up would be to say nothing?

Hooli

32,278 posts

201 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2014
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Starfighter said:
Assuming that the aircraft was running on autopilot with a stable course, height and airspeed, does anyone on here know what the flight control systems would do in the event of a single flame-out and then a second?

I know that the flight crews check list would include an attempt to restart followed by a controlled decent and reduction in airspeed to match the single engine performance followed by a divert. Would the automatic systems do something similar and could the aircraft effectively ditch on autopilot though without the use of flaps etc
This was mentioned ages ago & someone said simulator tests proved it'd stall, drop, recover, stall, drop, recover, etc etc splash. Something to do with the autopilot pulling up & opening the throttles to hold speed & height without understanding the engines were off.

saaby93

32,038 posts

179 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2014
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This was a controlled landing with no engines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mLKfRVU3qM

At 2 minutes from the left coffee

Edited by saaby93 on Tuesday 23 December 15:39

SpudLink

5,843 posts

193 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2014
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AreOut said:
it was far from Diego Garcia when it turned south
Was it "zigzagging"? (Younger PHers should ask their parents about that reference.)

TTmonkey

20,911 posts

248 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2014
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MrCarPark said:
To believe anything but the official explanation you must believe that Inmarsat would deliberately mislead the investigation.

What's in it for them to do that? Why would a global communications company risk its reputation when the easiest way for them to cover up would be to say nothing?
Not if you accept that the data that Inmarsat believe they had could have been planted by a third party. Or that it was generated by some system glitch.

AreOut

3,658 posts

162 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2014
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saaby93 said:
This was a controlled landing with no engines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mLKfRVU3qM

At 2 minutes from the left coffee

Edited by saaby93 on Tuesday 23 December 15:39
it's not the problem for experienced pilot to land the plane in calm water, but with every inch of wave height the chances deteriorate greatly

and IO in March is everything but calm

SpudLink said:
Was it "zigzagging"? (Younger PHers should ask their parents about that reference.)
no it just went around Indonesia to evade their airspace and possible interception


TTmonkey said:
Not if you accept that the data that Inmarsat believe they had could have been planted by a third party. Or that it was generated by some system glitch.
impossibiru

ATTAK Z

11,103 posts

190 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2014
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AreOut said:
impossibiru

saaby93

32,038 posts

179 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2014
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How come no trace of wreckage yet found?

A few years back didnt a giant container ship disappear without trace?

davepoth

29,395 posts

200 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2014
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saaby93 said:
How come no trace of wreckage yet found?

A few years back didnt a giant container ship disappear without trace?
Unlikely - all the containers would float off. They are usually only secured by their own weight vertically (apart from the locking corner doodads which aren't really that strong), and a lot of containers tend to be filled mainly with air.

Bulk freighters are another matter entirely. Those sink quite regularly if a hatch blows open, and they would probably go down whole.

northwest monkey

6,370 posts

190 months

Wednesday 24th December 2014
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If the wreckage was ever found, and lets say for arguments sake it's at the bottom of an ocean and in several pieces, then would there be anything worthwhile left on the plane that would give any indication of what happened?

I'm talking black boxes and other electronic stuff etc.

AreOut

3,658 posts

162 months

Wednesday 24th December 2014
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black boxes would likely keep information for a long time even under water

northwest monkey

6,370 posts

190 months

Wednesday 24th December 2014
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Ah, so the "we've got 30 days to find it" was just for the electronic "I'm here" ping?

AreOut

3,658 posts

162 months

Wednesday 24th December 2014
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yupp, but it would be of great help if they came close to the plane so it's not "just"

AreOut

3,658 posts

162 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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http://vocasupport.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/...

not written by me so don't shoot the messenger smile

2013BRM

39,731 posts

285 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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marshalla

15,902 posts

202 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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2013BRM said:
I think you're looking for this thread : http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

TTmonkey

20,911 posts

248 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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hmmm, how far geographically is this crash from where the Malaysia plane was reported to have 'climbed fast to an altitude that it wasn't supposed to be able to get to'.....?

Anyone think they should perhaps be looking again at the sea bed near where it was first lost from radar contact?

AreOut

3,658 posts

162 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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They are not connected in any way, MH370 never crossed that area.

matrignano

4,383 posts

211 months

Wednesday 21st January 2015
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Is a modern airliner totally unrecoverable from a stall situation?

Tyre Tread

10,535 posts

217 months

Wednesday 21st January 2015
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" Let's go round again
Maybe we'll turn back the hands of time
Let's go round again
One more time"

Maybe a separate thread for that one?