Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"
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Blackpuddin said:
Vaud said:
Blackpuddin said:
Martin4x4 said:
Blackpuddin said:
I still believe that this plane was stolen to order.
Where is you evidence?Edited by Blackpuddin on Monday 2nd March 16:50
You think ISIS or any other determined terror organisation is incapable of killing 200 people? You need to watch a bit more news. As for disposing of the bodies, forget it, the crows can sort that out.
Even though I am not an internationally recognised security expert, yes I would say it is easier to bribe two people than try and smuggle a bloody great aircraft out of an airport.
Even though I am not an internationally recognised security expert, yes I would say it is easier to bribe two people than try and smuggle a bloody great aircraft out of an airport.
Blackpuddin said:
You think ISIS or any other determined terror organisation is incapable of killing 200 people? You need to watch a bit more news. As for disposing of the bodies, forget it, the crows can sort that out.
Even though I am not an internationally recognised security expert, yes I would say it is easier to bribe two people than try and smuggle a bloody great aircraft out of an airport.
Where have they put it ? What are they going to do with it ? How are they going to make sure they're not noticed until it's too late ? and why haven't they done it yet ? Even though I am not an internationally recognised security expert, yes I would say it is easier to bribe two people than try and smuggle a bloody great aircraft out of an airport.
marshalla said:
Blackpuddin said:
You think ISIS or any other determined terror organisation is incapable of killing 200 people? You need to watch a bit more news. As for disposing of the bodies, forget it, the crows can sort that out.
Even though I am not an internationally recognised security expert, yes I would say it is easier to bribe two people than try and smuggle a bloody great aircraft out of an airport.
Where have they put it ? What are they going to do with it ? How are they going to make sure they're not noticed until it's too late ? and why haven't they done it yet ? Even though I am not an internationally recognised security expert, yes I would say it is easier to bribe two people than try and smuggle a bloody great aircraft out of an airport.
marshalla said:
Blackpuddin said:
Hang on while I polish up my Mystic Meg ball. No, sorry, I'm not getting anything.
So, you believe they took it - but have no theory about why.Riiiiiiiiiight.
Not sure why this is being perceived as such an outlandish theory.
not a single one terrorist organisation has claimed anything about MH370, and noone on board was in any way connected with terrorism or extremism for that matter
also there is a high chance(actually the highest of all theories) the perpetrator(captain or first officer with marginal probability for someone else)had some destination on mind but failed to reach it for variety of reasons
also there is a high chance(actually the highest of all theories) the perpetrator(captain or first officer with marginal probability for someone else)had some destination on mind but failed to reach it for variety of reasons
Not claiming responsibility doesn't mean they didn't do it.
In all seriousness the human element is always going to be the weakest link for a caper like this. If even a dumbo like me can see the risk/reward potential then surely a more organised criminal/terrorist outfit with the right connections would have no bother pulling it off.
In all seriousness the human element is always going to be the weakest link for a caper like this. If even a dumbo like me can see the risk/reward potential then surely a more organised criminal/terrorist outfit with the right connections would have no bother pulling it off.
Blackpuddin said:
Yes, you're quite right of course, nobody has ever done that before. I apologise for even suggesting it.
Go on then, give us an example where this has happened before?Every single part has a part number on it that can be traced back to day 0 and a history showing when and where it was fitted.
Do you not think that the carrier might run these numbers to see where they have come from when someone offered them 'cheap' 777 parts that they 'found' one day?
AreOut said:
the thing is it's extremely hard to pull this off, you would need a very experienced pilot that would sure be noticed on the passenger list
I wasn't talking about planting an extra pilot on the plane, but buying off the existing ones. Why would even the most experienced pilot not be interested in a massive payday? Especially a disaffected or depressed one – of which I understand there is no shortage. KTF said:
Go on then, give us an example where this has happened before?
Every single part has a part number on it that can be traced back to day 0 and a history showing when and where it was fitted.
Do you not think that the carrier might run these numbers to see where they have come from when someone offered them 'cheap' 777 parts that they 'found' one day?
there was an(empty) african plane that was stolen and never found after, possibly crashed somewhere in the seaEvery single part has a part number on it that can be traced back to day 0 and a history showing when and where it was fitted.
Do you not think that the carrier might run these numbers to see where they have come from when someone offered them 'cheap' 777 parts that they 'found' one day?
Blackpuddin said:
Why would even the most experienced pilot not be interested in a massive payday? Especially a disaffected or depressed one – of which I understand there is no shortage.
well the only experienced pilot on board was the captain, I don't exclude he was paid by someone but I tend to believe he did it on his own KTF said:
Blackpuddin said:
Yes, you're quite right of course, nobody has ever done that before. I apologise for even suggesting it.
Go on then, give us an example where this has happened before?Every single part has a part number on it that can be traced back to day 0 and a history showing when and where it was fitted.
Do you not think that the carrier might run these numbers to see where they have come from when someone offered them 'cheap' 777 parts that they 'found' one day?
Blackpuddin said:
Breaking up for parts, though more difficult, is not entirely beyond the bounds of possibility either.
Not sure why this is being perceived as such an outlandish theory.
Not credible; aeroparts have a paper trail a mile wide, without it they are worthless, plus the larger and higher value parts all have serial numbers which are difficult to remove without it being obvious and are naturally associated with the missing aircraft. The only credible disposal path is grinding everything up and selling as general metal scrap, the miscreants might net themselves ~£100k. An utter waste of effort.Not sure why this is being perceived as such an outlandish theory.
Blackpuddin said:
AdeTuono said:
Brilliant! That's the best one yet. It was stolen to break for parts. FFS!!
Yes, you're quite right of course, nobody has ever done that before. I apologise for even suggesting it. 
This is definitely what happened - the plane was landed on a remote island in the Indian ocean, a crack team of engineers has been sent out to brake it down for spares, then they are flogging it off piece by piece on Ebay and Amazon, although I heard they are struggling with negative feedback due to the shipping costs and estimated delivery times, what with shipping from a remote island and all that.
I know about the strict registration of aviation parts. But if ISIS was thinking of setting up an air facility of its own - and why would they not be, their ambitions go far higher than that, up to and including the apocalypse - then warehousing of parts for service would be a perfectly normal part of that process. The perceived paperwork difficulties of dealing and/or trading with regular aviation authorities are irrelevant as they just wouldn't apply.
Blackpuddin said:
I know about the strict registration of aviation parts. But if ISIS was thinking of setting up an air facility of its own - and why would they not be, their ambitions go far higher than that, up to and including the apocalypse - then warehousing of parts for service would be a perfectly normal part of that process. The perceived paperwork difficulties of dealing and/or trading with regular aviation authorities are irrelevant as they just wouldn't apply.
That's really very unlikely.Blackpuddin said:
I know about the strict registration of aviation parts. But if ISIS was thinking of setting up an air facility of its own - and why would they not be, their ambitions go far higher than that, up to and including the apocalypse - then warehousing of parts for service would be a perfectly normal part of that process. The perceived paperwork difficulties of dealing and/or trading with regular aviation authorities are irrelevant as they just wouldn't apply.
I think you need a lie down.If you had a plane like this, where do you think you could fly it to before a trigger happy nation shot it down or forced it down?
It's worth nothing as parts
It's worth nothing as a full aircraft - other than a rather uncomfortable house.
If you want an air facility you would buy small aircraft where parts are easy and it's easy to literally "fly under the radar" or bigger, older planes without a controlled parts supply.
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