Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"
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Blackpuddin said:
I know about the strict registration of aviation parts. But if ISIS was thinking of setting up an air facility of its own - and why would they not be, their ambitions go far higher than that, up to and including the apocalypse - then warehousing of parts for service would be a perfectly normal part of that process. The perceived paperwork difficulties of dealing and/or trading with regular aviation authorities are irrelevant as they just wouldn't apply.
Blackpuddin said:
I know about the strict registration of aviation parts. But if ISIS was thinking of setting up an air facility of its own - and why would they not be, their ambitions go far higher than that, up to and including the apocalypse - then warehousing of parts for service would be a perfectly normal part of that process. The perceived paperwork difficulties of dealing and/or trading with regular aviation authorities are irrelevant as they just wouldn't apply.
Ignore them. Modern Aircraft are incredibly simple and un-complex, even a 777 can be disassembled and re-assembled by the most illiterate ISIS goat-herder single handed with an adjustable spanner. They just don't want to see the truth the fools.
I can't help it if you lot don't have any imagination. Vaud said:
If you had a plane like this, where do you think you could fly it to before a trigger happy nation shot it down or forced it down
If you look at where the plane went missing on a map the vast majority of countries in that area either would not give a s
t about an unidentified plane passing over head, or would not have the capability to do anything about it if they did.I accept it is far fetched and unlikely, but the longer this case goes on the more far fetched and unlikely the scenario is that (I feel) will draw a line underneath it.
ISIS also have a track record for keeping hold of their "assets" for a long time before either announcing or doing anything with them.
tleefox said:
If you look at where the plane went missing on a map the vast majority of countries in that area either would not give a st about an unidentified plane passing over head, or would not have the capability to do anything about it if they did.
I accept it is far fetched and unlikely, but the longer this case goes on the more far fetched and unlikely the scenario is that (I feel) will draw a line underneath it.
ISIS also have a track record for keeping hold of their "assets" for a long time before either announcing or doing anything with them.
Whoopee - so all that effort for a 777-200 that you can only fly in one country. Oh and 200 dead bodies. And whilst overflying this country after hijacking and asphyxiating the passengers, this rogue crew of X people switched off every cell phone so nothing even registered with a tower?t about an unidentified plane passing over head, or would not have the capability to do anything about it if they did.I accept it is far fetched and unlikely, but the longer this case goes on the more far fetched and unlikely the scenario is that (I feel) will draw a line underneath it.
ISIS also have a track record for keeping hold of their "assets" for a long time before either announcing or doing anything with them.
It's at the bottom of an ocean.
tleefox said:
If you look at where the plane went missing on a map the vast majority of countries in that area either would not give a st about an unidentified plane passing over head, or would not have the capability to do anything about it if they did.
they very much have the capability, that's why the pilot overflew only Malaysia(and caught them asleep) but then went around Indonesia(that seems to be much more serious military-wise than Malaysia)t about an unidentified plane passing over head, or would not have the capability to do anything about it if they did.So, lots of people saying what hasn't happened. Can we hear our theories of what has happened, and why, and where the plane is?
To me, reports that the main pilot was disaffected, and also politically minded, early on, have not been investigated enough. There were reports that he had a grudge against the Malaysian government.
If he had flown the aircraft to the southern ocean area, ask yourself this. Would he have continued to keep the plane in the air for as long as possible, until it literally fell out of the air.... Or would he have put it down whilst in powered flight, still in control? If the first was true, you might expect to have seen a debris field if you happened to look in the right area. If the later, it it possible that it could have been landed in the sea in unusually calm conditions, to sink in one piece - hence no debris on the surface, highly unlikely but possible. If this was done as part of a grudge - surely you are sending someone a message, that you want understood. So in this case, there seems to be a lack of "message delivery".
i think someone with a major gripe against his government would not have taken this course of action, he would have attempted a bigger statement ending....
If the above is accepted, then perhaps a bigger conspiracy is in play? Could the reported 'fire in the sky' have any truth about it? Planting some kind of evidence that points in a different direction (as in the 'ping' data). Who, why, how etc.. .?
Terrorism? Again, terrorism relies on a message being sent. Understood and received.
Ruled out.... Purely mechanical failure. It simply would have been found, close to the point where the mechanical failure took place, or in a logical extrapolated place fairly near that scene. If it had a mechanical failure and everyone was incapacitated it wouldn't have ended up (allegedly) somewhere in the southern ocean. It would probably have ended up over china or similar.
To me the theory that its in the southern ocean and it was taken there by the pilot have some contradictory factors.
Why, for instance? Why would he do that? Maybe he was a mad man and that's just what he wanted, but usually mad people do things that are more 'in your face'. How, also, has he managed to come up with a plan so devious that it seems almost impossible?
So cover up? Plane massively off course and shot down by the Chinese - all denied by both the Chinese and western authorities to prevent an unwanted major international incident?
Almost every theory I've heard, including the generally accepted one that the pilot flew it into the southern ocean on purpose, seem to have contradictory elements to them. Would be interested in any theory that doesn't have some kind of contradiction.
My main theory is this though. If you don't want something found, ensure no one is looking in the correct place for it. For whatever reason you might have . If you say it's somewhere where it's almost impossible to find, then a far easier place to find it is better if no ones looking there.
To me, reports that the main pilot was disaffected, and also politically minded, early on, have not been investigated enough. There were reports that he had a grudge against the Malaysian government.
If he had flown the aircraft to the southern ocean area, ask yourself this. Would he have continued to keep the plane in the air for as long as possible, until it literally fell out of the air.... Or would he have put it down whilst in powered flight, still in control? If the first was true, you might expect to have seen a debris field if you happened to look in the right area. If the later, it it possible that it could have been landed in the sea in unusually calm conditions, to sink in one piece - hence no debris on the surface, highly unlikely but possible. If this was done as part of a grudge - surely you are sending someone a message, that you want understood. So in this case, there seems to be a lack of "message delivery".
i think someone with a major gripe against his government would not have taken this course of action, he would have attempted a bigger statement ending....
If the above is accepted, then perhaps a bigger conspiracy is in play? Could the reported 'fire in the sky' have any truth about it? Planting some kind of evidence that points in a different direction (as in the 'ping' data). Who, why, how etc.. .?
Terrorism? Again, terrorism relies on a message being sent. Understood and received.
Ruled out.... Purely mechanical failure. It simply would have been found, close to the point where the mechanical failure took place, or in a logical extrapolated place fairly near that scene. If it had a mechanical failure and everyone was incapacitated it wouldn't have ended up (allegedly) somewhere in the southern ocean. It would probably have ended up over china or similar.
To me the theory that its in the southern ocean and it was taken there by the pilot have some contradictory factors.
Why, for instance? Why would he do that? Maybe he was a mad man and that's just what he wanted, but usually mad people do things that are more 'in your face'. How, also, has he managed to come up with a plan so devious that it seems almost impossible?
So cover up? Plane massively off course and shot down by the Chinese - all denied by both the Chinese and western authorities to prevent an unwanted major international incident?
Almost every theory I've heard, including the generally accepted one that the pilot flew it into the southern ocean on purpose, seem to have contradictory elements to them. Would be interested in any theory that doesn't have some kind of contradiction.
My main theory is this though. If you don't want something found, ensure no one is looking in the correct place for it. For whatever reason you might have . If you say it's somewhere where it's almost impossible to find, then a far easier place to find it is better if no ones looking there.
TTmonkey said:
So, lots of people saying what hasn't happened. Can we hear our theories of what has happened, and why, and where the plane is?
Are you new to this thread? There are plenty of plausible theories as to why the aircraft has vanished both on this thread and in the media. The most likely location of the aircraft is in the southern ocean. It got there likely through an intentional suicide or a mechanical problem leading to a cabin depressurisation.
Apologies if we've already had this theory posted up:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/02/jeff-...
Whether you believe it or not it was quite nice to read something which was (seemingly) well researched, with the "theorist" admitting that it is human nature to end up believing in your own theory far more than you should.
So - aside from the "inconceivably sophisticated hijack operation" - what is wrong with his theory?
(Before I get flamed into submission, just looking for the reasons why he is most likely wrong, from those who have spent more time researching/reading about the incident than I have).
Thanks
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/02/jeff-...
Whether you believe it or not it was quite nice to read something which was (seemingly) well researched, with the "theorist" admitting that it is human nature to end up believing in your own theory far more than you should.
So - aside from the "inconceivably sophisticated hijack operation" - what is wrong with his theory?
(Before I get flamed into submission, just looking for the reasons why he is most likely wrong, from those who have spent more time researching/reading about the incident than I have).
Thanks
Nyphur said:
So - aside from the "inconceivably sophisticated hijack operation" - what is wrong with his theory?
From skim reading it seems to hinge on them being able to access the E/E bay from the cabin. If this was not accessible on that aircraft from above (i.e. bolted closed) then the theory doesnt really work.KTF said:
Nyphur said:
So - aside from the "inconceivably sophisticated hijack operation" - what is wrong with his theory?
From skim reading it seems to hinge on them being able to access the E/E bay from the cabin. If this was not accessible on that aircraft from above (i.e. bolted closed) then the theory doesnt really work.article said:
The open platform attracted a varied crew, from the mostly intelligent and often helpful to the deranged and abusive.
TTmonkey said:
To me, reports that the main pilot was disaffected, and also politically minded, early on, have not been investigated enough. There were reports that he had a grudge against the Malaysian government.
If he had flown the aircraft to the southern ocean area, ask yourself this. Would he have continued to keep the plane in the air for as long as possible, until it literally fell out of the air.... Or would he have put it down whilst in powered flight, still in control? If the first was true, you might expect to have seen a debris field if you happened to look in the right area. If the later, it it possible that it could have been landed in the sea in unusually calm conditions, to sink in one piece - hence no debris on the surface, highly unlikely but possible. If this was done as part of a grudge - surely you are sending someone a message, that you want understood. So in this case, there seems to be a lack of "message delivery".
we don't know if it's in southern ocean area, they are basing it on a few assumptions which do have some mathematical logic(almost equal distance between arcs etc.) but at the end those are still only assumptionsIf he had flown the aircraft to the southern ocean area, ask yourself this. Would he have continued to keep the plane in the air for as long as possible, until it literally fell out of the air.... Or would he have put it down whilst in powered flight, still in control? If the first was true, you might expect to have seen a debris field if you happened to look in the right area. If the later, it it possible that it could have been landed in the sea in unusually calm conditions, to sink in one piece - hence no debris on the surface, highly unlikely but possible. If this was done as part of a grudge - surely you are sending someone a message, that you want understood. So in this case, there seems to be a lack of "message delivery".
IO is much calmer in northern area and especially on that day the waves in roaring forties were everything but low so that's why I believe it's a lot more to the north if it's really sunk (and it most probably is given no debris at all)
lack of message delivery doesn't mean message delivery wasn't planned, it maybe just failed for many reasons (conflict with F/O in the cockpit, upset passengers screaming and putting the pressure etc.)
my assumption is that one of the planned destinations was Christmas Island seeing how it falls right on the fuel range limit
el stovey said:
Are you new to this thread?
There are plenty of plausible theories as to why the aircraft has vanished both on this thread and in the media. The most likely location of the aircraft is in the southern ocean. It got there likely through an intentional suicide or a mechanical problem leading to a cabin depressurisation.
mechanical problem wouldn't take the plane the only possible route to IO that wouldn't alert local airforces, intentional suicide is possible but less likely, he would just crash it in Malacca Strait and leave the message if that was his intention(that location was searched before Inmarsat released the pings info)There are plenty of plausible theories as to why the aircraft has vanished both on this thread and in the media. The most likely location of the aircraft is in the southern ocean. It got there likely through an intentional suicide or a mechanical problem leading to a cabin depressurisation.
P.S.
http://tmex.smugmug.com/Other/My-Smug-Mug/i-jRMbd9...
Edited by AreOut on Monday 2nd March 22:30
A parliamentary candidate for Dulwich and West Norwood thinks that the plane didn't actually crash and it might have just been a scheme to smuggle illegal immigrants.
"Unsurprisingly, talk turned to immigration pretty quickly. "What about the Malaysian airlines flight that disappeared?" she asked. "You could have had people who were illegal immigrants. Maybe there was a crime racket going on that we don't know about on board. If it had crashed the box would have been found."
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/the-ukip-conference...
"Unsurprisingly, talk turned to immigration pretty quickly. "What about the Malaysian airlines flight that disappeared?" she asked. "You could have had people who were illegal immigrants. Maybe there was a crime racket going on that we don't know about on board. If it had crashed the box would have been found."
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/the-ukip-conference...
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