Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"

[AreOut]

every political party has its lunatics

[ATTAK Z]

AreOut said:

every political party has its lunatics

yep !

[Frik]

The longer this goes on without evidence that the simplest, most sensible theory is correct, the more likely that one of the more outlandish theories becomes feasible.

The Southern Ocean is a big place, but it is still incredible that a plane could have crashed there and not a single shred of evidence of this event exists. Nothing.

[AreOut]

well it could have sunk intact without leaving parts around, but that would require human control which would dismiss official autopilot theory

[rohrl]

MH370 had enough fuel to fly about 2400 statute miles. If they went straight up they had more than enough fuel to make it to low earth orbit. Alternatively if they went underwater because water is 89% oxygen as opposed to air's 20% they could have flown four and a half times further, or 10,800 statute miles. 10,800 miles is such a large radius that I don't think it'll ever be found.

[Vaud]

rohrl said:

MH370 had enough fuel to fly about 2400 statute miles. If they went straight up they had more than enough fuel to make it to low earth orbit. Alternatively if they went underwater because water is 89% oxygen as opposed to air's 20% they could have flown four and a half times further, or 10,800 statute miles. 10,800 miles is such a large radius that I don't think it'll ever be found.

Don't forget that it could have flown into one of the entrances into the Hollow Earth.

[MartG]

It went through a timewarp and was eaten by the Langoliers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Langoliers

[Hooli]

rohrl said:

MH370 had enough fuel to fly about 2400 statute miles. If they went straight up they had more than enough fuel to make it to low earth orbit. Alternatively if they went underwater because water is 89% oxygen as opposed to air's 20% they could have flown four and a half times further, or 10,800 statute miles. 10,800 miles is such a large radius that I don't think it'll ever be found.

[fathomfive]

Vaud said:

rohrl said:

MH370 had enough fuel to fly about 2400 statute miles. If they went straight up they had more than enough fuel to make it to low earth orbit. Alternatively if they went underwater because water is 89% oxygen as opposed to air's 20% they could have flown four and a half times further, or 10,800 statute miles. 10,800 miles is such a large radius that I don't think it'll ever be found.

Don't forget that it could have flown into one of the entrances into the Hollow Earth.

So conceivably they could be in Middle Earth now?

Bloody thieving hobbitses.

[KTF]

rohrl said:

MH370 had enough fuel to fly about 2400 statute miles. If they went straight up they had more than enough fuel to make it to low earth orbit. Alternatively if they went underwater because water is 89% oxygen as opposed to air's 20% they could have flown four and a half times further, or 10,800 statute miles. 10,800 miles is such a large radius that I don't think it'll ever be found.

Hahaha!

[Nom de ploom]

rohrl said:

MH370 had enough fuel to fly about 2400 statute miles. If they went straight up they had more than enough fuel to make it to low earth orbit. Alternatively if they went underwater because water is 89% oxygen as opposed to air's 20% they could have flown four and a half times further, or 10,800 statute miles. 10,800 miles is such a large radius that I don't think it'll ever be found.

not sure if serious.....

it might end up as one of those unsolved incidents...

[Mr E]

Frik said:

The Southern Ocean is a big place, but it is still incredible that a plane could have crashed there and not a single shred of evidence of this event exists. Nothing.

The thing about space^H^H^H^H^H the ocean is that it's big. Really big. I mean, you might think it's a long way down to the shops...

[jshell]

Nom de ploom said:

rohrl said:

MH370 had enough fuel to fly about 2400 statute miles. If they went straight up they had more than enough fuel to make it to low earth orbit. Alternatively if they went underwater because water is 89% oxygen as opposed to air's 20% they could have flown four and a half times further, or 10,800 statute miles. 10,800 miles is such a large radius that I don't think it'll ever be found.

not sure if serious.....

Really? Not sure? Whee!

[dvs_dave]

rohrl said:

MH370 had enough fuel to fly about 2400 statute miles. If they went straight up they had more than enough fuel to make it to low earth orbit. Alternatively if they went underwater because water is 89% oxygen as opposed to air's 20% they could have flown four and a half times further, or 10,800 statute miles. 10,800 miles is such a large radius that I don't think it'll ever be found.

That's a solid hypotheses, although you have not taken into account hydrodynamic vs aerodynamic drag. As water is denser than air, the theoretical maximum range based on fuel stoiciometry alone (as you have cleverly calculated to be 10,800 miles) would be reduced by a factor of pie (3.142...) due to the extra drag from the water. Therefore they should be looking within a submerged radius of approx 3,200 miles.

[AreOut]

Mr E said:

The thing about space^H^H^H^H^H the ocean is that it's big. Really big. I mean, you might think it's a long way down to the shops...

ocean really is big but according to calculations any debris would have to wash ashore on SW australian coast which is frequently visited beachcombed etc. somebody would sure notice the plane parts in a year

[james_tigerwoods]

dvs_dave said:

rohrl said:

MH370 had enough fuel to fly about 2400 statute miles. If they went straight up they had more than enough fuel to make it to low earth orbit. Alternatively if they went underwater because water is 89% oxygen as opposed to air's 20% they could have flown four and a half times further, or 10,800 statute miles. 10,800 miles is such a large radius that I don't think it'll ever be found.

That's a solid hypotheses, although you have not taken into account hydrodynamic vs aerodynamic drag. As water is denser than air, the theoretical maximum range based on fuel stoiciometry alone (as you have cleverly calculated to be 10,800 miles) would be reduced by a factor of pie (3.142...) due to the extra drag from the water. Therefore they should be looking within a submerged radius of approx 3,200 miles.

Ah, but have you considered what pie though, surely a chicken pie would have a different effect than a beef pie?

[Steffan]

AreOut said:

Mr E said:

The thing about space^H^H^H^H^H the ocean is that it's big. Really big. I mean, you might think it's a long way down to the shops...

ocean really is big but according to calculations any debris would have to wash ashore on SW australian coast which is frequently visited beachcombed etc. somebody would sure notice the plane parts in a year

The longer this goes on, as others have said on here, the more probable it becomes that some of the less esoteric theories that abound as to what actually happened in this awful tragedy, may well in fact be the be the case. I have had my doubts about the most probable explanation, involving autopilot and oxygen deprivation, for some time. That was the explanation that struck me as the most likely early on in this affair.

But the absecence of any debris, or any physical evidence whatsoever, of a plane disappearing totally in this way does beg the question as to what actually happened ? I do understand the Indian Ocean is massive and deep and in time some evidence may be found. I sincerely hope that it is. But all the signs are that the searchers will be called off before much longer. I can see this remaining a mystery for some time.

[anonymous-user]

AreOut said:

ocean really is big but according to calculations any debris would have to wash ashore on SW australian coast which is frequently visited beachcombed etc. somebody would sure notice the plane parts in a year

What calculations? How do you know how much debris (if any) there would be and where it would wash up?

You don't know where the aircraft is and how it ended up on the ground/water?

If it was intentionally ditched in the sea, there might be no debris whatsoever.

[dvs_dave]

james_tigerwoods said:

Ah, but have you considered what pie though, surely a chicken pie would have a different effect than a beef pie?

Steak and ale in this case.

[AreOut]

Steffan said:

I have had my doubts about the most probable explanation, involving autopilot and oxygen deprivation, for some time. That was the explanation that struck me as the most likely early on in this affair.

the plane took the only possible route (out of a million) to IO that precisely evades indonesian(&thai) airspace, it certainly does require human input

el stovey said:

What calculations? How do you know how much debris (if any) there would be and where it would wash up?

You don't know where the aircraft is and how it ended up on the ground/water?

If it was intentionally ditched in the sea, there might be no debris whatsoever.

at the place where they are looking for the sea is so rough(especially during March) you would have trouble landing a small seaplane intact which is designed for landing on water let alone a huge airliner...just no friggin chance

also if that was the intention of whoever was the perpetrator he could choose much calmer seas without overflying any mainland and risking interception(anywhere in Pacific for example)

the only way it could get to SIO is autopilot resuming control after turn around Indonesia because pilots got in conflict between themselves or with passengers/other cabin crew