Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"

[Steffan]

AreOut said:

Mr E said:

The thing about space^H^H^H^H^H the ocean is that it's big. Really big. I mean, you might think it's a long way down to the shops...

ocean really is big but according to calculations any debris would have to wash ashore on SW australian coast which is frequently visited beachcombed etc. somebody would sure notice the plane parts in a year

The longer this goes on, as others have said on here, the more probable it becomes that some of the less esoteric theories that abound as to what actually happened in this awful tragedy, may well in fact be the be the case. I have had my doubts about the most probable explanation, involving autopilot and oxygen deprivation, for some time. That was the explanation that struck me as the most likely early on in this affair.

But the absecence of any debris, or any physical evidence whatsoever, of a plane disappearing totally in this way does beg the question as to what actually happened ? I do understand the Indian Ocean is massive and deep and in time some evidence may be found. I sincerely hope that it is. But all the signs are that the searchers will be called off before much longer. I can see this remaining a mystery for some time.

[anonymous-user]

AreOut said:

ocean really is big but according to calculations any debris would have to wash ashore on SW australian coast which is frequently visited beachcombed etc. somebody would sure notice the plane parts in a year

What calculations? How do you know how much debris (if any) there would be and where it would wash up?

You don't know where the aircraft is and how it ended up on the ground/water?

If it was intentionally ditched in the sea, there might be no debris whatsoever.

[dvs_dave]

james_tigerwoods said:

Ah, but have you considered what pie though, surely a chicken pie would have a different effect than a beef pie?

Steak and ale in this case.

[AreOut]

Steffan said:

I have had my doubts about the most probable explanation, involving autopilot and oxygen deprivation, for some time. That was the explanation that struck me as the most likely early on in this affair.

the plane took the only possible route (out of a million) to IO that precisely evades indonesian(&thai) airspace, it certainly does require human input

el stovey said:

What calculations? How do you know how much debris (if any) there would be and where it would wash up?

You don't know where the aircraft is and how it ended up on the ground/water?

If it was intentionally ditched in the sea, there might be no debris whatsoever.

at the place where they are looking for the sea is so rough(especially during March) you would have trouble landing a small seaplane intact which is designed for landing on water let alone a huge airliner...just no friggin chance

also if that was the intention of whoever was the perpetrator he could choose much calmer seas without overflying any mainland and risking interception(anywhere in Pacific for example)

the only way it could get to SIO is autopilot resuming control after turn around Indonesia because pilots got in conflict between themselves or with passengers/other cabin crew

[anonymous-user]

AreOut said:

Steffan said:

I have had my doubts about the most probable explanation, involving autopilot and oxygen deprivation, for some time. That was the explanation that struck me as the most likely early on in this affair.

the plane took the only possible route (out of a million) to IO that precisely evades indonesian(&thai) airspace, it certainly does require human input

el stovey said:

What calculations? How do you know how much debris (if any) there would be and where it would wash up?

You don't know where the aircraft is and how it ended up on the ground/water?

If it was intentionally ditched in the sea, there might be no debris whatsoever.

at the place where they are looking for the sea is so rough(especially during March) you would have trouble landing a small seaplane intact which is designed for landing on water let alone a huge airliner...just no friggin chance

also if that was the intention of whoever was the perpetrator he could choose much calmer seas without overflying any mainland and risking interception(anywhere in Pacific for example)

the only way it could get to SIO is autopilot resuming control after turn around Indonesia because pilots got in conflict between themselves or with passengers/other cabin crew

I'm sorry but you really talk some bks on this thread. You keep using factual statements like "the only way" and making comments about how a B777 operates but you clearly haven't got a clue.

There's nothing wrong with not having a clue as nobody has publicly stated where this aircraft is and apparently no wreckage has been found, but you're always making out you do by dressing up your complete guesses as facts and probable outcomes.

[AreOut]

it's not possible to land an airliner there intact, ask any experienced pilot if you don't believe me

also there is no any reasonable explanation why would anyone direct the plane towards southeast IO, if you can find one then go and tell us

[Frik]

You're using a lack of evidence to present conclusions. That's not how logic works.

[AreOut]

I get your point however it's still possible the debris hit some very unaccessible patches of SW coast and I'll keep my reserve because of that.

The main point is that nobody would have the intention to go there although there still IS a possibility that the plane lies there but not as a result of a human decision.

[anonymous-user]

AreOut said:

it's not possible to land an airliner there intact, ask any experienced pilot if you don't believe me

also there is no any reasonable explanation why would anyone direct the plane towards southeast IO, if you can find one then go and tell us

I've got a 777 type rating.

You don't know where the aircraft ended up. You don't know how much debris there would be or where it would end up. You don't know what the sea state was if it was on the water. You don't know what the rate of decent was.

The aircraft could end up where it did for any number of reasons, some technical, some deliberate. You're just blagging when you keep suggesting you have any insight whatsoever as to what happened.

[AreOut]

el stovey said:

I've got a 777 type rating.

Respect.

el stovey said:

You don't know where the aircraft ended up. You don't know how much debris there would be or where it would end up. You don't know what the sea state was if it was on the water. You don't know what the rate of decent was.

I don't know and I don't claim to know where it ended up, my point is that official assumption (constant heading and/or speed and/or altitude) could be wrong, not that it must be wrong. The sea state around was well known at that area at that exact time(I can't search for the links now but if you insist I'll try to find it for you). There would have to be some debris and it has nothing to do with pilot's experience, just physical properties of the plane and the materials it was made off. They have followed ocean currents and came to conclusion it would wash up on the SW coast of Australia (again I have no link but I remember that very well). I don't know the rate of decent but it would only change the amount of debris (to an extent).

el stovey said:

The aircraft could end up where it did for any number of reasons, some technical, some deliberate. You're just blagging when you keep suggesting you have any insight whatsoever as to what happened.

It could, but deliberate reasons require motivation and to this day we don't know why would anyone be motivated to crash the plane exactly at that point.

My insight is based only on official data and human logic and I reserve my right not to be right after all

[2013BRM]

Wow, I'd have stopped digging ages ago

[AreOut]

[Frik]

You are turbobloke AICMFP.

[LHRFlightman]

AreOut said:

What flight levels are those winds at?

[AreOut]

Frik said:

You are turbobloke AICMFP.

I'm not. I'm not even Brit.

LHRFlightman said:

What flight levels are those winds at?

close to sea level if I remember well

[Megaflow]

I'd be very suprised if they were at sea level. Firstly, and I am no expert here, but they look a lot like jet streams to me.

Secondly it says 'Winds for the MH370 flight path' underneath it.

[Welshbeef]

As I said a long time ago what IF the plane somehow entered space and is currently in orbit?
Near on impossible but its not an impossible scenario and would explain why no debris anywhere ever since it went down

[All that jazz]

Welshbeef said:

As I said a long time ago what IF the plane somehow entered space and is currently in orbit?
Near on impossible but its not an impossible scenario and would explain why no debris anywhere ever since it went down

Engines don't have the power to put it in space. That's why they can "only" fly at up to around 41000 ft. If they could fly higher then they would as the air is thinner = less fuel burn. I suppose if they put the throttles all the way forwards they could get quite some way above 41k but certainly not enough to put them in space.

[AreOut]

Welshbeef said:

As I said a long time ago what IF the plane somehow entered space and is currently in orbit?
Near on impossible but its not an impossible scenario and would explain why no debris anywhere ever since it went down

Your grammar is very good for the reasoning.

[nikaiyo2]

Welshbeef said:

As I said a long time ago what IF the plane somehow entered space and is currently in orbit?
Near on impossible but its not an impossible scenario and would explain why no debris anywhere ever since it went down

No it is an absolutely 100% impossibility for a 777 to go into orbit. Can not, will not, has not never ever happened. It is about as likely as your BMW becoming airborne and reaching 38000 feet, under its own power.