Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"
Discussion
The Horizon program next week that's being promoted on the BbC has an interesting 'fact'.
The route of the plane takes after they lose contact apparently does a deliberate fly by of the island of Panang. The pilot interviewed abut this talks of a 'long, emotional turn' over the island, where he was apparently born.
Now I've not heard this before, but if this is true in terms of the route of the plane, then to me it's a first real indication of some kind of 'purpose' of the person in control of the plane......
The route of the plane takes after they lose contact apparently does a deliberate fly by of the island of Panang. The pilot interviewed abut this talks of a 'long, emotional turn' over the island, where he was apparently born.
Now I've not heard this before, but if this is true in terms of the route of the plane, then to me it's a first real indication of some kind of 'purpose' of the person in control of the plane......
TTmonkey said:
The Horizon program next week that's being promoted on the BbC has an interesting 'fact'.
The route of the plane takes after they lose contact apparently does a deliberate fly by of the island of Panang. The pilot interviewed abut this talks of a 'long, emotional turn' over the island, where he was apparently born.
Now I've not heard this before, but if this is true in terms of the route of the plane, then to me it's a first real indication of some kind of 'purpose' of the person in control of the plane......
If its true being the critical factor. Until there is some identifiable real evidence of where the plane actually lies I can see no real progress in the resolution of this tragey. Huge number of theories no evidence as yet of where the plane lies. Could be a long while coming. I can see no way of resolving this until confirmed evidential discovery establishes this matter.The route of the plane takes after they lose contact apparently does a deliberate fly by of the island of Panang. The pilot interviewed abut this talks of a 'long, emotional turn' over the island, where he was apparently born.
Now I've not heard this before, but if this is true in terms of the route of the plane, then to me it's a first real indication of some kind of 'purpose' of the person in control of the plane......
Steffan said:
Perhaps unsurprisingly given the anniversary date a rerun of the possible explanations by the Malasian Government abound in the news this morning
see: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-31777060
In reality it would seem to me that until some real physical evidence of where the plane actually lies appears, there is as yet nothing concrete on what actually happened. Tragic accident of some sort seems the most probable explanation to me. But what actually happened we are really no nearer identifying. Desperate situation for all the relatives who lack real closure. Desperate tragedy for all those killed.
As ever, what seems to me to be, the least unlikely explanation gets my vote, which is some form of accident rendering the crew and passengers unconsious. But until real physical evidence is found this remains an unsolved mystery.
Inmarsat pings ARE evidence, malaysian radar track IS genuine, those two completely dismiss any "accident rendering the crew unconsciuos", because it required very conscious crew to perform the path flown. So your explanation isn't least unlikely but least likely.see: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-31777060
In reality it would seem to me that until some real physical evidence of where the plane actually lies appears, there is as yet nothing concrete on what actually happened. Tragic accident of some sort seems the most probable explanation to me. But what actually happened we are really no nearer identifying. Desperate situation for all the relatives who lack real closure. Desperate tragedy for all those killed.
As ever, what seems to me to be, the least unlikely explanation gets my vote, which is some form of accident rendering the crew and passengers unconsious. But until real physical evidence is found this remains an unsolved mystery.
Edited by AreOut on Saturday 7th March 10:07
AreOut said:
Steffan said:
Perhaps unsurprisingly given the anniversary date a rerun of the possible explanations by the Malasian Government abound in the news this morning
see: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-31777060
In reality it would seem to me that until some real physical evidence of where the plane actually lies appears, there is as yet nothing concrete on what actually happened. Tragic accident of some sort seems the most probable explanation to me. But what actually happened we are really no nearer identifying. Desperate situation for all the relatives who lack real closure. Desperate tragedy for all those killed.
As ever, what seems to me to be, the least unlikely explanation gets my vote, which is some form of accident rendering the crew and passengers unconsious. But until real physical evidence is found this remains an unsolved mystery.
Inmarsat pings ARE evidence, malaysian radar track IS genuine, those two completely dismiss any "accident rendering the crew unconsciuos", because it required very conscious crew to perform the path flown. So your explanation isn't least unlikely but least likely.see: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-31777060
In reality it would seem to me that until some real physical evidence of where the plane actually lies appears, there is as yet nothing concrete on what actually happened. Tragic accident of some sort seems the most probable explanation to me. But what actually happened we are really no nearer identifying. Desperate situation for all the relatives who lack real closure. Desperate tragedy for all those killed.
As ever, what seems to me to be, the least unlikely explanation gets my vote, which is some form of accident rendering the crew and passengers unconsious. But until real physical evidence is found this remains an unsolved mystery.
Edited by AreOut on Saturday 7th March 10:07
Edited by Steffan on Saturday 7th March 12:23
Just spotted this on NBC:
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/mh370...
It does make me wonder whether this is the start of a new approach. Australian PM is also indicating cost concerns. Understandably these ocean searches must be very expensive. Softening the media up because they are really doubtful about finding anything? I do not know but it does seem another tack to me?
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/mh370...
It does make me wonder whether this is the start of a new approach. Australian PM is also indicating cost concerns. Understandably these ocean searches must be very expensive. Softening the media up because they are really doubtful about finding anything? I do not know but it does seem another tack to me?
If they do find it, what do we expect to learn that we don't know already?
We can safely assume that the plane was deliberately flown in the direction that it went in - either by hand or by reprogramming the route on the autopilot. All the FDR will confirm is which of the two was the case. The CVR will likely be of little use. The first two hours, which are likely to be the most interesting, will have been overwritten and the last two hours, if everyone was dead by then, will have nothing on it other than alarms being made by the computers as the plane runs of of fuel and stalls. The FDR will likely have indicated that these warnings were sounding already. And, that's if the FDR and CVR hadn't been disabled somehow.
Obviously people want closure but what more will the FDR and CVR reveal than confirmation of what we already suspect?
We can safely assume that the plane was deliberately flown in the direction that it went in - either by hand or by reprogramming the route on the autopilot. All the FDR will confirm is which of the two was the case. The CVR will likely be of little use. The first two hours, which are likely to be the most interesting, will have been overwritten and the last two hours, if everyone was dead by then, will have nothing on it other than alarms being made by the computers as the plane runs of of fuel and stalls. The FDR will likely have indicated that these warnings were sounding already. And, that's if the FDR and CVR hadn't been disabled somehow.
Obviously people want closure but what more will the FDR and CVR reveal than confirmation of what we already suspect?
MitchT said:
If they do find it, what do we expect to learn that we don't know already?
We can safely assume that the plane was deliberately flown in the direction that it went in - either by hand or by reprogramming the route on the autopilot. All the FDR will confirm is which of the two was the case. The CVR will likely be of little use. The first two hours, which are likely to be the most interesting, will have been overwritten and the last two hours, if everyone was dead by then, will have nothing on it other than alarms being made by the computers as the plane runs of of fuel and stalls. The FDR will likely have indicated that these warnings were sounding already. And, that's if the FDR and CVR hadn't been disabled somehow.
Obviously people want closure but what more will the FDR and CVR reveal than confirmation of what we already suspect?
Agreed. If they had found it soon after the event, the bodies would have told us how people died, but that's all gone now.We can safely assume that the plane was deliberately flown in the direction that it went in - either by hand or by reprogramming the route on the autopilot. All the FDR will confirm is which of the two was the case. The CVR will likely be of little use. The first two hours, which are likely to be the most interesting, will have been overwritten and the last two hours, if everyone was dead by then, will have nothing on it other than alarms being made by the computers as the plane runs of of fuel and stalls. The FDR will likely have indicated that these warnings were sounding already. And, that's if the FDR and CVR hadn't been disabled somehow.
Obviously people want closure but what more will the FDR and CVR reveal than confirmation of what we already suspect?
Finding it will just mean that most questions will remain unanswered, the only info will be knowing, in fact, where it is, not why/how it got there
Welshbeef said:
Ch5 HD 8pm tonight a documentary on this - one year on.
March 2014 239 passengers and crew vanishes without a trace. A unique event we've never seen it before.
12 months on.
Its not a game changer its a world changer - it entered space
One hour of filler. How many times can they say that the only 'fact' is that it is missing. Anything else is pure speculation.March 2014 239 passengers and crew vanishes without a trace. A unique event we've never seen it before.
12 months on.
Its not a game changer its a world changer - it entered space
turns out there already is an Air Crash Investigation episode for this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRxjdwJoObo
Morningside said:
I know the latest thing is they are saying the distress batteries are out of date.
Do they mean they are flat or just old? I have some old torch batteries that are way out of date but still work.
And that the batteries expired a year before the crash. How can this be? There's a finite amount of energy in a smoke alarm battery. When it's almost exhausted, your smoke alarm makes noises, indicating that you need to fit an new battery.Do they mean they are flat or just old? I have some old torch batteries that are way out of date but still work.
Is there not a similar low battery warning on board the aircraft?
Edited by Langweilig on Sunday 8th March 21:49
Typical Air Crash Investigation ... an hour of *facts* - all of which are in this thread - the pings etc, the various theories - so the world is no nearer knowing what happened - not that I was thinking they'd come up with some brilliant theory themselves ...
I like ACI - I count how many times they use the phrase "shocking discovery" right before a break ...
I like ACI - I count how many times they use the phrase "shocking discovery" right before a break ...
I think I said on this thread before that I've looked for s
t on the seabed in 1200m of water, 60 miles from land. st that I put there, and big st too. We had good charts and co-ords from the DGPS and it still took us ages to find it. I'm not completely surprised that something like this hasn't been found, though I'd have expected some debris by now.
t on the seabed in 1200m of water, 60 miles from land. st that I put there, and big st too. We had good charts and co-ords from the DGPS and it still took us ages to find it. I'm not completely surprised that something like this hasn't been found, though I'd have expected some debris by now.jshell said:
I think I said on this thread before that I've looked for st on the seabed in 1200m of water, 60 miles from land. st that I put there, and big st too. We had good charts and co-ords from the DGPS and it still took us ages to find it.
well it might be because st on the seabed in 1200m of water, 60 miles from land. st that I put there, and big st too. We had good charts and co-ords from the DGPS and it still took us ages to find it. t dissolves in waterAreOut said:
jshell said:
I think I said on this thread before that I've looked for st on the seabed in 1200m of water, 60 miles from land. st that I put there, and big st too. We had good charts and co-ords from the DGPS and it still took us ages to find it.
well it might be because st on the seabed in 1200m of water, 60 miles from land. st that I put there, and big st too. We had good charts and co-ords from the DGPS and it still took us ages to find it. t dissolves in water This st was solid steel... 
saw this in the dailymail this morning looks promising and supports the theory if the plan did crash in the indian ocean
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2987078/Is...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2987078/Is...
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