Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"

Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"

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Steffan

10,362 posts

229 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Eric Mc said:
TTmonkey said:
Unless the suitcase has a baggage ticket on it saying its from MH370 or a luggage label with the name of a passenger, then its just another piece of rubbish from the ocean though, isn't it?
There may be contents which will help identify the owner. I think the part numbers of the flaperon will be the identifier.
Good points from Eric. The parts certainly seem large enough and sufficiently intact for the experts to be reasonably certain which aircraft this was from in due course when properly examined. I do hope that this does bring some closure to the relatives of the tragedy. Dreadful affair.

TheSnitch

2,342 posts

155 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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TTmonkey said:
TheSnitch said:
TTmonkey said:
So... IF the part is from MH370 we also know something else of importance. It proves that the plane was smashed on hitting the ocean, rather than somehow landing and sinking in one neat piece. Therefore if you accept this, you accept that there absolutely MUST have been a debris field. Obviously much stuff would sink, but also an awful lot would float.

So why if there is a debris field have the numerous ships searching the area early on during the search not seen anything? The most likely explanation to me would be because they were looking in the wrong place.

The search was misdirected by spurious 'ping' data from underwater early on. What if they've been misdirected by this other data they have?

I think they should have been searching further North.
A very remote crash site. An enormous potential crash site. Mountainous seas. Too far from land for sustained air searches. 'Numerous' search vessels is overstating it. Take your pick, really; any or all of these could have been factors.

No offence, but why should they have been searching further north when all their data points in the other direction?
lack of evidence, that's why.,

article said:
Erik van Sebille, an oceanographer specializing in ocean currents who did extensive computer simulations last year of where Flight 370 wreckage might float, said that it was possible that pieces might now be reaching Réunion, more than 3,000 miles from the plane’s last known location.

But the plane would have had to enter the water off northwestern Australia, he said. A series of separate analyses of the satellite “pings” coming from the aircraft’s engines in its last hours of flight have all pointed to its coming down off southwestern Australia, many hundreds of miles farther south — and that is where investigators from Australia, Malaysia and China have concentrated their search efforts.

Currents in the Indian Ocean move fairly quickly from east to west near the Equator, Mr. van Sebille said, but those to the south move more slowly. Debris entering the ocean in the primary search area would be much less likely to have drifted as far as Réunion by now.
But there was no evidence previously to suggest a crash site further north. If this debris indicates that, and I'll take a majority opinion from qualified people on that, then it's easy to be wise after the event.


Edited by TTmonkey on Thursday 30th July 10:45

2013BRM

39,731 posts

285 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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haven't checked but apparently if you draw a line from where the debris was found and its last reported position it goes right across DG

TankRizzo

7,280 posts

194 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Seems they've matched the part number conclusively now to a 777.


anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Do currents from the Maldives or Diego Garcia head that way?

2013BRM

39,731 posts

285 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Jimboka said:
Do currents from the Maldives or Diego Garcia head that way?
Yes and at 11cm/sec which equates to 16 months = 4000km

also the fact the Maldives witnesses were told they were definitely mistaken when they alleged to have see a low flying plane in the same colours seems a little odd

Hub

6,441 posts

199 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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2013BRM said:
Yes and at 11cm/sec which equates to 16 months = 4000km

also the fact the Maldives witnesses were told they were definitely mistaken when they alleged to have see a low flying plane in the same colours seems a little odd
Not sure about that, if the map from a couple of pages back is correct. Maldives are above the equator, probably between the monsoon drift and equatorial counter current, which goes the other way?


Luke Warm said:
Indian Ocean currents.

trashbat

6,006 posts

154 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Any idea of a specific, identifiable ocean drift is silly.




JuniorD

8,628 posts

224 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Unless a steady stream of debris can be followed to source, even with a positive ID all this piece will be to confirm is that the aircraft did not come down on land and was not abducted by aliens.

jshell

11,039 posts

206 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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JuniorD said:
Unless a steady stream of debris can be followed to source, even with a positive ID all this piece will be to confirm is that the aircraft did not come down on land and was not abducted by aliens.
You're mental, that flaperon was obviously deliberately placed there by lizards to throw off the fact that the plane, with all of its occupants is on Mars...

nikaiyo2

4,754 posts

196 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Eric Mc said:
There may be contents which will help identify the owner. I think the part numbers of the flaperon will be the identifier.
Surely a flapper on is a rotable and would be completely traceable back to the specific AC it was attached to?

fflyingdog

621 posts

240 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Malaysia Airlines tech records will know exactly what part/serial number was fitted to that particular aircraft with out a doubt,even down to who fitted it and when.

Mr Trophy

6,808 posts

204 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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why is it taking so long to say yes or no?

KTF

9,810 posts

151 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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The process involved I imagine. An extra day/week or so won't make any difference in the grand scheme of things.

Steffan

10,362 posts

229 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Mr Trophy said:
why is it taking so long to say yes or no?
Doubtless the experts want to be absolutey sure of the facts before making any pronouncements thereon. Understandable given the seriousness of the matter concerned. I would expect a decision before much longer.

TTmonkey

20,911 posts

248 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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I believe Boeing have already said that there is no other missing B777 that this part could have come from.

So unless someone has deliberatly sourced this part, and then thrown it in the ocean near reunion on the hope that its washed up and found, then it must be from the missing plane.

Jos Notstoppen

496 posts

142 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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All the records need to be checked.

The part may have been fitted anytime and indeed may have been then removed and fitted onto another aircraft at a later date.

It is not unknown for pieces of aircraft to become detached during a flight.

Vaud

50,617 posts

156 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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TTmonkey said:
I believe Boeing have already said that there is no other missing B777 that this part could have come from.
As I understand it there are no other missing 777s of any type.

KTF

9,810 posts

151 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Vaud said:
As I understand it there are no other missing 777s of any type.
Parts do fall off aircraft more often than you think. Granted, something like this would be logged so all records will be checked before anything is released.

Vaud

50,617 posts

156 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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KTF said:
Parts do fall off aircraft more often than you think. Granted, something like this would be logged so all records will be checked before anything is released.
That is quite a big piece - but I take your point and glad everyone is checking first...