Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"
Discussion
Radio 4 Today interviewed an Aviation expert, who carefully qualified his words but left me no doubt this part is from MH370.
7:09am on following
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0648nnc
KTF said:
Vaud said:
As I understand it there are no other missing 777s of any type.
Parts do fall off aircraft more often than you think. Granted, something like this would be logged so all records will be checked before anything is released.ETA. I stand corrected.
Edited by longshot on Thursday 30th July 21:34
longshot said:
This is a ground the fleet size of part though, not the odd nut.
They will be crossing the Is and dotting the Ts on this one.
It's unlikely the be a serialised or tracked part so unlikely to have any obvious clues to it being from mh370.
You Sir are wrong, if the part still has the data plate ,then they will conclusively be able to ident the part to a particular aircraft. They have to be able to do this for various reasons I wont bore you with.They will be crossing the Is and dotting the Ts on this one.
It's unlikely the be a serialised or tracked part so unlikely to have any obvious clues to it being from mh370.
fflyingdog said:
You Sir are wrong, if the part still has the data plate ,then they will conclusively be able to ident the part to a particular aircraft. They have to be able to do this for various reasons I wont bore you with.
You're quarter of an hour late.I wasn't sure whether they would be life limited or not and even serialised parts may not be tracked if this is the case.
IME not every serialised part makes it into the logbook.
However, I withdrew my statement due to not being entirely sure.
Some 'expert' on the news tonight. He states that he fully expected that debris would have turned up at this time on these exact islands. Exactly as he expected he said.
So if he's the expert in the field, and this is what he says he would have predicted... Why on earth wasn't some organised searching being done on those islands.,? On the experts advise? It's so much cheaper to comb a beach or two than it is to look 10000 feet down in several million square miles of ocean, after all....
Just seems to me to want to get on the tele. Brilliantly predicts something after its already happened.
So if he's the expert in the field, and this is what he says he would have predicted... Why on earth wasn't some organised searching being done on those islands.,? On the experts advise? It's so much cheaper to comb a beach or two than it is to look 10000 feet down in several million square miles of ocean, after all....
Just seems to me to want to get on the tele. Brilliantly predicts something after its already happened.
Whilst I realise it's not good to surmise on the reasons for any air crash, you surely have to look at the available facts. So far we have a modern 777 airliner on a routine flight that was transitioning from one control centre to another. At this point
the transponder and ACARS system went off line and the aircraft turned several times to enter areas of poor radar coverage. It then, as far as the available data shows, flew South heading into an area that would make it very difficult to find/recover
any wreckage. Excluding the possibility of an in-flight fire disabling these components, the systems that were turned off, would need pilot intervention to do so and the autopilot would not change course by itself. With these facts in mind, IMHO it
has to point to some sort of "rogue" pilot element at play. Assuming this theory is correct, where would the pilot aim, close to land or as far away as possible? My bet is that the wreckage is right in the middle of the Indian ocean, as far away from land as he could get.
I do hope that part found is traced to MH370, but can't help feeling they're looking in the wrong place... Let's hope this mystery is one day solved! RIP all on-board...
the transponder and ACARS system went off line and the aircraft turned several times to enter areas of poor radar coverage. It then, as far as the available data shows, flew South heading into an area that would make it very difficult to find/recover
any wreckage. Excluding the possibility of an in-flight fire disabling these components, the systems that were turned off, would need pilot intervention to do so and the autopilot would not change course by itself. With these facts in mind, IMHO it
has to point to some sort of "rogue" pilot element at play. Assuming this theory is correct, where would the pilot aim, close to land or as far away as possible? My bet is that the wreckage is right in the middle of the Indian ocean, as far away from land as he could get.
I do hope that part found is traced to MH370, but can't help feeling they're looking in the wrong place... Let's hope this mystery is one day solved! RIP all on-board...
mrloudly said:
With these facts in mind, IMHO it
has to point to some sort of "rogue" pilot element at play.
This has probably already been said somewhere but, when MH370 disappeared, the idea that the pilot(s) could have gone native and taken the plane down seemed pretty far-fetched, even if it was one of the few really plausible theories. However, since then of course we've had the Alpine incident, so we now know that it really could happen.has to point to some sort of "rogue" pilot element at play.
As I recall, the pax on the Germanwings plane had up to 8 minutes of terror before impact? I sincerely hope that if this IS what happened to 370, the poor sods didn't have to endure several hours of the captain trying to smash to cockpit door down before impact
Edited by CAPP0 on Friday 31st July 09:14
TTmonkey said:
Some 'expert' on the news tonight. He states that he fully expected that debris would have turned up at this time on these exact islands. Exactly as he expected he said.
So if he's the expert in the field, and this is what he says he would have predicted... Why on earth wasn't some organised searching being done on those islands.,? On the experts advise? It's so much cheaper to comb a beach or two than it is to look 10000 feet down in several million square miles of ocean, after all....
Just seems to me to want to get on the tele. Brilliantly predicts something after its already happened.
They couldn't search the beach a year ago as the wreckage hadn't reached it yet. So if he's the expert in the field, and this is what he says he would have predicted... Why on earth wasn't some organised searching being done on those islands.,? On the experts advise? It's so much cheaper to comb a beach or two than it is to look 10000 feet down in several million square miles of ocean, after all....
Just seems to me to want to get on the tele. Brilliantly predicts something after its already happened.
They were looking for the crash site to try and tell what happened. Knowing where some bits of the aircraft might end up after a year and sitting on a beach waiting for it to get there isn't really a satisfactory way of conducting an air crash investigation.
The Turbonator said:
Eric Mc said:
I still think that a cabin decompression may have rendered everyone on board unconscious. This has happened on a few other occasions
Doesn't explain the transponder being switched off though or the controlled turn to the left off course. The Turbonator said:
Eric Mc said:
I still think that a cabin decompression may have rendered everyone on board unconscious. This has happened on a few other occasions
Doesn't explain the transponder being switched off though or the controlled turn to the left off course. mrloudly said:
Pilot alone in cockpit door locked, cabin pressure dumped allowing 10 odd minutes of Oxygen for the PX (a lot more for the pilot) before they're rendered unconscious. Pilot continues on his supply (and first officer's) as long as possible and then re-pressurises the cabin allowing him to remove his mask and carry on with the task in hand. A horrible thought...
Or even switch off the passenger oxygen. Eric Mc said:
The Turbonator said:
Eric Mc said:
I still think that a cabin decompression may have rendered everyone on board unconscious. This has happened on a few other occasions
Doesn't explain the transponder being switched off though or the controlled turn to the left off course. Edited by The Turbonator on Friday 31st July 10:09
Eric Mc said:
The Turbonator said:
Eric Mc said:
I still think that a cabin decompression may have rendered everyone on board unconscious. This has happened on a few other occasions
Doesn't explain the transponder being switched off though or the controlled turn to the left off course. Given the length of time that has gone by I regret to say that it seems unlikely that any absolute proof of the probable causes of this tragedy will be definitely known. I do hope there is at lease some closure for the bereaved.
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