Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"

Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"

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AreOut

3,658 posts

161 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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no it couldn't, you don't simply turn off all the tracking, turn back and fly the best possible path to get into IO undetected (or unchallenged for that matter)

Captain was very strong opposition supporter, that same morning opposition leader was jailed because of alleged homosexuality(sure), can't be a coincidence.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,370 posts

150 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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AreOut said:
Captain was very strong opposition supporter, that same morning opposition leader was jailed because of alleged homosexuality(sure), can't be a coincidence.
Why can't it be a coincidence?

AreOut

3,658 posts

161 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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because it would be too much of a coincidence, especially because just two weeks before MH370 the ethiopian copilot did very similar thing, locked out the other pilot and went to Switzerland instead of Italy to request asylum, meanwhile exposing swiss army/airforce working hours

pilots frequently talk about incidents between themselves and discuss them, he could get the idea from that case figuring out it would be even easier for him since he was the captain

unfortunately for him and the others on the plane it didn't work this time for unknown reason (inflight brawl being very possible one)

Vipers

32,886 posts

228 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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Blaster72 said:
mrloudly said:
Composite Guru said:
Passenger oxygen is provided by small canisters that generate oxygen when the pins are pulled by pulling the masks. This gives enough oxygen to the passenger to get to a safe altitude. The cockpit runs on bottled oxygen so they could fly the plane even when the pax oxygen has run out.

The transponder from what i'm aware cannot be turned off in the cockpit, someone would need to go down into the avionics bay to do this which would of not been an accidental thing to do.
Transponders are easily turned off from within the cockpit

More like this on a 777 - not easily confused with other cockpit controls. Turning off would be a deliberate conscious action in my opinion.

Why aren't transponders configured so they CANT be turned off. As I understand it, a station interrogates a transponder, and it replies, so it's passive until someone talks to it.



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Vaud

50,503 posts

155 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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You need to be able to shut down almost any component when you are 1000s of miles from land, in case of fire, short, malfunction, etc

Martin4x4

6,506 posts

132 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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Apparently on this flight to Paris,

http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/AFR671

TheSnitch

2,342 posts

154 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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AreOut said:
because it would be too much of a coincidence, especially because just two weeks before MH370 the ethiopian copilot did very similar thing, locked out the other pilot and went to Switzerland instead of Italy to request asylum, meanwhile exposing swiss army/airforce working hours

pilots frequently talk about incidents between themselves and discuss them, he could get the idea from that case figuring out it would be even easier for him since he was the captain

unfortunately for him and the others on the plane it didn't work this time for unknown reason (inflight brawl being very possible one)
When an event happens, other things are happening in the world. That doesn't mean there is a connection between them

We don't know what happened to MH370, therefore to say that an event two weeks earlier was in any way connected is complete speculation.



AreOut

3,658 posts

161 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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you need the speculation to narrow down the search area, official ATSB search area is based on speculation that autopilot was on and there was noone flying the plane

which would be OK if it was not the only one search area defined

TheSnitch

2,342 posts

154 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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AreOut said:
you need the speculation to narrow down the search area, official ATSB search area is based on speculation that autopilot was on and there was noone flying the plane

which would be OK if it was not the only one search area defined
What are you on about?

The search area has been calculated using the available data.

Your claim that the disappearance of the plane is in any way connected to the jailing of a politician is speculation

Magog

2,652 posts

189 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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Martin4x4 said:
Apparently on this flight to Paris,

http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/AFR671
Seems a bit of a pisstake to put it on a 777.

Martin4x4

6,506 posts

132 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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Magog said:
Martin4x4 said:
Apparently on this flight to Paris,

http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/AFR671
Seems a bit of a pisstake to put it on a 777.
I noticed that aswell but looks like the normal aircraft for that route.

KTF

9,805 posts

150 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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Magog said:
Seems a bit of a pisstake to put it on a 777.
Hardly. Look at the historical flights. Has always been a 777.

AdeTuono

7,254 posts

227 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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Magog said:
Martin4x4 said:
Apparently on this flight to Paris,

http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/AFR671
Seems a bit of a pisstake to put it on a 777.
Really? Do you think the flaperon would object?

eharding

13,711 posts

284 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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AdeTuono said:
Magog said:
Martin4x4 said:
Apparently on this flight to Paris,

http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/AFR671
Seems a bit of a pisstake to put it on a 777.
Really? Do you think the flaperon would object?
As long as nobody tells the other two flaperons that the guest one is 'special' - in case they get jealous - everything will be fine.

Blaster72

10,838 posts

197 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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Magog said:
Martin4x4 said:
Apparently on this flight to Paris,

http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/AFR671
Seems a bit of a pisstake to put it on a 777.
The tin foil hat brigade would go mental if that 777 also disappeared!!

Anyway, its looking very likely that it is a 777 flaperon and has come from the Malaysian aircraft. Hopefully this is one more baby step towards finding out what happened.

AreOut

3,658 posts

161 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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TheSnitch said:
What are you on about?

The search area has been calculated using the available data.

Your claim that the disappearance of the plane is in any way connected to the jailing of a politician is speculation
yes, calculated using the available data ASSUMING the plane flew at constant speed/altitude/heading

while it IS the most logical assumption to make, it is still only an assumption and there are thousands of other flight paths that would fit that same data

TheSnitch

2,342 posts

154 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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AreOut said:
TheSnitch said:
What are you on about?

The search area has been calculated using the available data.

Your claim that the disappearance of the plane is in any way connected to the jailing of a politician is speculation
yes, calculated using the available data ASSUMING the plane flew at constant speed/altitude/heading

while it IS the most logical assumption to make, it is still only an assumption and there are thousands of other flight paths that would fit that same data
I don't think you are quite getting what I mean.

The search area has been calculated using data. Clearly assumptions have to be made too, else we would get nowhere, but it is data driven.

Whereas your claim that the disappearance of the plane is linked to the jailing of a politician is not based on any evidence at all, it is complete speculation on your part.

AdeTuono

7,254 posts

227 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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TheSnitch said:
AreOut said:
TheSnitch said:
What are you on about?

The search area has been calculated using the available data.

Your claim that the disappearance of the plane is in any way connected to the jailing of a politician is speculation
yes, calculated using the available data ASSUMING the plane flew at constant speed/altitude/heading

while it IS the most logical assumption to make, it is still only an assumption and there are thousands of other flight paths that would fit that same data
I don't think you are quite getting what I mean.

The search area has been calculated using data. Clearly assumptions have to be made too, else we would get nowhere, but it is data driven.

Whereas your claim that the disappearance of the plane is linked to the jailing of a politician is not based on any evidence at all, it is complete speculation on your part.
Along with 99% of his other theories. He's our gold standard tin-foil hatter, dontchaknow?

TheSnitch

2,342 posts

154 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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AdeTuono said:
Along with 99% of his other theories. He's our gold standard tin-foil hatter, dontchaknow?
It had slipped my mind, but you have refreshed it. Cheers, I'll save myself the bother.

AreOut

3,658 posts

161 months

Sunday 2nd August 2015
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TheSnitch said:
I don't think you are quite getting what I mean.

The search area has been calculated using data. Clearly assumptions have to be made too, else we would get nowhere, but it is data driven.

Whereas your claim that the disappearance of the plane is linked to the jailing of a politician is not based on any evidence at all, it is complete speculation on your part.
failed approach on Christmas Island is also data driven (if you allow for altitude changes) AND it has valid motivation

southern SIO theory has no valid motivation at all

AdeTuono said:
Along with 99% of his other theories. He's our gold standard tin-foil hatter, dontchaknow?
because it's tinfoily to think that pilot wanted to land somewhere(actually what pilots do on a daily basis) but it's not tinfoily to think that he wanted to perform suicide in a completely illogical location?

twisted logic