Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"

[youngsyr]

AdeTuono said:

youngsyr said:

MarkRSi said:

PurpleTurtle said:

Koofler said:

Just read on the BBC that the part
has arrived in France and they are going to start work on it immediately. On Wednesday. WTF?

Monday is stand around shrugging a lot, smoke body weight in Gitanes
Tuesday is tied up having affair with best friend's wife
Wednesday, oui, c'est bon!

To be fair at this point a few days difference in formally identifying the parts isn't going to make a difference to working out where the aircraft ended up.

Probably just waiting to get all the right people in from Boeing, Malaysia airlines etc. to help with the investigation before starting.

Yeah, I mean it's only a case of pretty much confirming the deaths of a couple of hundred people. What's the rush?

You think they're still alive?

Where did I say that? Seems like just another PH post trying to put words in someone else's mouth just to pick an argument.

They're not confirmed dead. There's a big difference - especially for the families.

[AdeTuono]

youngsyr said:

AdeTuono said:

youngsyr said:

MarkRSi said:

PurpleTurtle said:

Koofler said:

Just read on the BBC that the part
has arrived in France and they are going to start work on it immediately. On Wednesday. WTF?

Monday is stand around shrugging a lot, smoke body weight in Gitanes
Tuesday is tied up having affair with best friend's wife
Wednesday, oui, c'est bon!

To be fair at this point a few days difference in formally identifying the parts isn't going to make a difference to working out where the aircraft ended up.

Probably just waiting to get all the right people in from Boeing, Malaysia airlines etc. to help with the investigation before starting.

Yeah, I mean it's only a case of pretty much confirming the deaths of a couple of hundred people. What's the rush?

You think they're still alive?

Where did I say that? Seems like just another PH post trying to put words in someone else's mouth just to pick an argument.

They're not confirmed dead. There's a big difference - especially for the families.

OK, big boy. I'll re-phrase. Do you really think another 48 hours, to get all the information required, will hurt?

And I'm not sure that there's a big difference between a confirmation of a crash and conjecture, given the timescale. Unless it really is in orbit, as some have suggested.

[Frik]

They should be as swift as they possibly can to confirm beyond all reasonable doubt that this is from the missing plane. It seems they might have learned their lesson from the lurching announcements shortly after the plane went missing.

[Ayahuasca]

Anyone care for some casual, uninformed, speculation?

From the pics I have seen, a working flaperon is attached to the wing by some pretty hefty connector hinges. The pics of the wreckage show the hinges to be missing. When the flaperon js raised it js flush with the wing, fitted snugly behind it, and creates almost no drag. When the flaperon is lowered it creates lots of drag. For the flaperon to be separated from the wing suggests that the flaperon was exposed to forces, along the horizontal or vertical axes, that separated the two components. It would be much easier to see how the flaperon became separated if it was in the lowered, deployed position when it met the surface of the ocean. Which suggests that the B777 might have been attempting a controlled landing when it went in.

[CAPP0]

Ayahuasca said:

Anyone care for some casual, uninformed, speculation?

From the pics I have seen, a working flaperon is attached to the wing by some pretty hefty connector hinges. The pics of the wreckage show the hinges to be missing. When the flaperon js raised it js flush with the wing, fitted snugly behind it, and creates almost no drag. When the flaperon is lowered it creates lots of drag. For the flaperon to be separated from the wing suggests that the flaperon was exposed to forces, along the horizontal or vertical axes, that separated the two components. It would be much easier to see how the flaperon became separated if it was in the lowered, deployed position when it met the surface of the ocean. Which suggests that the B777 might have been attempting a controlled landing when it went in.

Interesting thought, and it makes sense from an engineering point of view; I can't comment on the aviation aspect. I imagine the investigators will look at things like this, but I'm less sure that they'll share their thoughts with the world at this stage. I can't quite see how anyone on board would have flown it all the way down to the approximate area it's believed to be in, and then attempt to land on the sea though?

[Blaster72]

Ayahuasca said:

Anyone care for some casual, uninformed, speculation?

From the pics I have seen, a working flaperon is attached to the wing by some pretty hefty connector hinges. The pics of the wreckage show the hinges to be missing. When the flaperon js raised it js flush with the wing, fitted snugly behind it, and creates almost no drag. When the flaperon is lowered it creates lots of drag. For the flaperon to be separated from the wing suggests that the flaperon was exposed to forces, along the horizontal or vertical axes, that separated the two components. It would be much easier to see how the flaperon became separated if it was in the lowered, deployed position when it met the surface of the ocean. Which suggests that the B777 might have been attempting a controlled landing when it went in.

The flaperon is an inboard aileron so used to roll the aircraft at high speed. It doesn't just deploy and stow, it moves up and down as the control column is turned or the autopilot commands it to.

Impact with the water in any position could rip it off as could aerodynamic forces if the aircraft was flown above its design airspeed (ie in a steep dive). Either way, they'll need a lot more debris to turn up. Hopefully more and more will start washing up.

Edited by Blaster72 on Tuesday 4th August 22:53

[AreOut]

CAPP0 said:

Interesting thought, and it makes sense from an engineering point of view; I can't comment on the aviation aspect. I imagine the investigators will look at things like this, but I'm less sure that they'll share their thoughts with the world at this stage. I can't quite see how anyone on board would have flown it all the way down to the approximate area it's believed to be in, and then attempt to land on the sea though?

there is no reason why anyone would choose to go in the current search area, if it is really there it's because of very strange sequence of events including maybe even technical malfunction that ensued after fiddling with E/E bay

[TheSnitch]

AreOut said:

CAPP0 said:

Interesting thought, and it makes sense from an engineering point of view; I can't comment on the aviation aspect. I imagine the investigators will look at things like this, but I'm less sure that they'll share their thoughts with the world at this stage. I can't quite see how anyone on board would have flown it all the way down to the approximate area it's believed to be in, and then attempt to land on the sea though?

there is no reason why anyone would choose to go in the current search area, if it is really there it's because of very strange sequence of events including maybe even technical malfunction that ensued after fiddling with E/E bay

Oh for God's sake, we all know what you think - as do those nice people at Pprune who you have driven up the wall. Constantly bleating ''they are looking in the wrong place'' is utterly pointless. They are looking where their data suggests they have the best chance, not where some random on the internet thinks they should.

[AreOut]

the data is totally compatible to all other reachable points on the 7th arc, nobody knows if the plane flew straight path at cruising altitude as they assume, actually it disappeared from the radar at 21000 feet which is a lot lower and at that altitude/speed points exactly to the area south of the only reachable airport there

btw I would also search in their defined area, but not only there, that's the difference

[TankRizzo]

AreOut said:

btw I would also search in their defined area, but not only there, that's the difference

With your unlimited supply of money and boats?

[AreOut]

nope, I would spread the money to more areas, not throw all in one

[davepoth]

AreOut said:

nope, I would spread the money to more areas, not throw all in one

They aren't searching the same bit of water over and over again, you know. If they spread out, they would leave big enough gaps to miss any wreckage on the sea floor.

[anonymous-user]

davepoth said:

They aren't searching the same bit of water over and over again, you know. If they spread out, they would leave big enough gaps to miss any wreckage on the sea floor.

You're making a classic mistake, you're talking about things in the real world, a world which ArseOut doesn't inhabit

[AreOut]

davepoth said:

They aren't searching the same bit of water over and over again, you know. If they spread out, they would leave big enough gaps to miss any wreckage on the sea floor.

I know that, the chance of finding the plane in that area would be lower but the chance to find the plane overall would be higher and that's what counts.

it would be different if they had any hint the plane is there except the A/P assumption

[Tyre Tread]

AreOut said:

I know that, the chance of finding the plane in that area would be lower but the chance to find the plane overall would be higher and that's what counts.

What now?

I think you need to read that back to yourself.

[eharding]

Tyre Tread said:

AreOut said:

I know that, the chance of finding the plane in that area would be lower but the chance to find the plane overall would be higher and that's what counts.

What now?

I think you need to read that back to yourself.

Oh, just leave him be.

Trying to talk sense into AreOut is like trying to teach calculus to a dung beetle.

Regardless of the problem needing to be solved, the result will always be a small, perfectly formed ball of dung, and a happy - if still clueless - little beetle.

[TankRizzo]

AreOut said:

I know that, the chance of finding the plane in that area would be lower but the chance to find the plane overall would be higher and that's what counts.

[anonymous-user]

eharding said:

Oh, just leave him be.

Trying to talk sense into AreOut is like trying to teach calculus to a dung beetle.

Regardless of the problem needing to be solved, the result will always be a small, perfectly formed ball of dung, and a happy - if still clueless - little beetle.

He's posted that much oddness that in the end, he's bound to be right with some of it. I admire his indefatigability.

[red_slr]

Ayahuasca said:

Anyone care for some casual, uninformed, speculation?

Which suggests that the B777 might have been attempting a controlled landing when it went in.

I would say the reverse. High speed, high energy impact. IMHO though!

[GT03ROB]

eharding said:

Trying to talk sense into AreOut is like trying to teach calculus to a dung beetle.

Regardless of the problem needing to be solved, the result will always be a small, perfectly formed ball of dung, and a happy - if still clueless - little beetle.

That just made me laugh....