Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"
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Indeed!
Very sad business and I do hope that the discovery of parts of the plane results in the beginning of closure for the bereaved.
Once this has been analysed and processed by the aviation experts presumably there will be an assessment of the probable drift of these parts and therefore a reassessment of the likely crash area in the huge Indian Ocean. Not going to be easy to find but this is at least some definite confirmation that the plane did come down there. Tragedy of epic proportions.
Very sad business and I do hope that the discovery of parts of the plane results in the beginning of closure for the bereaved.
Once this has been analysed and processed by the aviation experts presumably there will be an assessment of the probable drift of these parts and therefore a reassessment of the likely crash area in the huge Indian Ocean. Not going to be easy to find but this is at least some definite confirmation that the plane did come down there. Tragedy of epic proportions.
Steffan said:
Indeed!
Very sad business and I do hope that the discovery of parts of the plane results in the beginning of closure for the bereaved.
Once this has been analysed and processed by the aviation experts presumably there will be an assessment of the probable drift of these parts and therefore a reassessment of the likely crash area in the huge Indian Ocean. Not going to be easy to find but this is at least some definite confirmation that the plane did come down there. Tragedy of epic proportions.
Very much this, particularly for the families.Very sad business and I do hope that the discovery of parts of the plane results in the beginning of closure for the bereaved.
Once this has been analysed and processed by the aviation experts presumably there will be an assessment of the probable drift of these parts and therefore a reassessment of the likely crash area in the huge Indian Ocean. Not going to be easy to find but this is at least some definite confirmation that the plane did come down there. Tragedy of epic proportions.
Hopefully put paid to some of the more ridiculous theories.
Killer2005 said:
Malaysian PM has confirmed that the wing flap found on Reunion Island was from MH370
From The GuardianMackowiak says that Boeing design experts “confirmed that this flaperon was for technical reason quite obviously a Boeing 777 flaperon.”
“Representatives of the Malaysia airlines company informed us of the elements of the technical specifications of the MH370 flight, and we were able as a result of this to compare this information with the flaperon of MH370.”
“These are very strong suppositions will be confirmed by analysis which will begin as of tomorrow.”
He says he can’t say when results of that analysis will be ready, and that investigators are also looking at a suitcase that was found on the island.
The French deputy prosecutor left immediately after the press conference, leaving a major question hanging about a discrepancy between his statement and Malaysian prime minister Najib Razak.
Mackowiak said that investigators have “very strong suppositions” that the debris belongs to MH370, and that further examination should confirm those suppositions.
Najib on the other hand was more confident, and said the experts had “conclusively confirmed” the flaperon came from the missing flight.
So caution from the French, Malaysian Airlines seeming to make another bold statement.
MartG said:
eldar said:
Hopefully put paid to some of the more ridiculous theories.
Don't be silly - they'll just claim that the part was deliberately planted to fool investigators 
Hopefully in time the confirmation will be complete and then the search area will be reappraised. If more physical evidence is found then there may be forensic examinations which confirm the possible cause of the downing of the aircarft. Equally burning etc on the evidence if any is found and the form of the damage to the evidence may give some suggestion of the way the plane hit the water and the probable crash site could then be found.
This will take some time. But I think as others suggest that this physical evidence will hopefully stem the "it just disappeared" nonsense. We must not forget in all of this that 250+ individuals lost their lives in this tragedy. That fact must be remebered in our discussions.
TTmonkey said:
Boeing has already stated that there is no missing flaperons other than the ones on MH370. If all the others are accounted for what are they being so anal about?
I rather think that being seen to take every reasonable care and enquiry prior to making the judgement is their primary concern.The Malaysian authorities have suffered considerable criticism in this affair. Probably correctly. I think not making another mistake is now their primary concern. I do think that, given the different attitude of the French and Malaysian approach, the tensions are apparent already. It seemed most unlikely to me that this wing section would not be from MH 370 since no other 777 has crashed in those waters. I think the authorities prime concern has become protecting their personal positions.
On that basis how long it will take for a properly considered extrapolation of the probable crash site, from the facts now available, to the experts investigating this matter, is a moot point. I would expect more delays for the reasons above. It seems probable to me that the plane deviated from the course originally suggested as the most probable route. Then there is the question of the very early concerns raised in the Maldives about a low flying unidentified airliner. There are still a great many questions and very few detailed reliable facts. That may still be the case for some time.
At least some closure should now become available to the bereaved, hopefully. Awful tragedy which will take many more months possibly years to be satisfactorily explained. If in fact a truly reliable assessement of the probable series of events that caused this tragedy can in fact be made. We will have to wait and see. I think this will sadly, run and run.
TTmonkey said:
Boeing has already stated that there is no missing flaperons other than the ones on MH370. If all the others are accounted for what are they being so anal about?
Check, double check, triple check.Wouldn't you do the same if your career and pension depended on it? What's a couple of days in exchange for a massively comprehensive, validated report? The passengers are still missing/dead so your only risk right now is being wrong.
Vaud said:
TTmonkey said:
Boeing has already stated that there is no missing flaperons other than the ones on MH370. If all the others are accounted for what are they being so anal about?
Check, double check, triple check.Wouldn't you do the same if your career and pension depended on it? What's a couple of days in exchange for a massively comprehensive, validated report? The passengers are still missing/dead so your only risk right now is being wrong.
I think it's just the equivalent of doing a post mortem, being 99% sure you know the cause, but waiting on the results of blood test/toxicology or whatever before you put it in writing.
No point having systems and procedures in place then not following them
Vaud said:
TTmonkey said:
Boeing has already stated that there is no missing flaperons other than the ones on MH370. If all the others are accounted for what are they being so anal about?
Check, double check, triple check.Wouldn't you do the same if your career and pension depended on it? What's a couple of days in exchange for a massively comprehensive, validated report? The passengers are still missing/dead so your only risk right now is being wrong.
That will inevitably be the approach of the authorities for the rest of this affair. Which is likely to require a considerable period for final conclusions to be drawn, if in fact final conclusions can be drawn with any real evidence confirming what might have happened. The plane is now clearly spread across the ocean floor and many months have passed before this evidence was salvaged having drifted for some time and ended up on a remote island. It could be some time even now, before the actual crash site is found, if in fact it is ever found?
No quick answers I fear. The deterioration in the evidence over time and the combined effects of weathering, submersion in the ocean and battery from movement and contact with objects may significantly reduce the value of the information that the investigators can glean from the evidence if more is found.
As with a number of other not entirely satisfactorily explained aircraft disappearances in the past, we may never be absolutely certain of the full chain of events. I am hopeful that at least some ttentative observations on probable cause will become available in due course. But no quick fixes in any investigation as serious and as high profile as this.
France puts pressure on Malaysia to tell all about MH370
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2015/08/06...
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2015/08/06...
i have studied limpets so have a bit of knowledge of the subject in relation to barnacles. The size should give an estimation of age, and left over scars(if any) can also indicate ages.(limpets reuse them)
interestingly as the are filter feeders, analysis could be done on chemical traces, especially heavy metal concentration would give a potential pinpoint combined with tidal forces. As the shell grows higher concentrations at different stages could be a good indicator.
the size of the colony could indicate a specific sea area, i know limpets are territoriality fighting over scars.
interestingly as the are filter feeders, analysis could be done on chemical traces, especially heavy metal concentration would give a potential pinpoint combined with tidal forces. As the shell grows higher concentrations at different stages could be a good indicator.
the size of the colony could indicate a specific sea area, i know limpets are territoriality fighting over scars.
Edited by The Spruce goose on Thursday 6th August 07:19
AreOut said:
France puts pressure on Malaysia to tell all about MH370
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2015/08/06...
Sounds like politics. Other than its missing (well the rest of it) what else is there to reveal?http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2015/08/06...
Welshbeef said:
Beyond Rational said:
Why would you need flaps in orbit?
My theory seems to have failed 
. Somehow the plane exceeded escape velocity and joined International SS. KTF said:
AreOut said:
France puts pressure on Malaysia to tell all about MH370
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2015/08/06...
Sounds like politics. Other than its missing (well the rest of it) what else is there to reveal?http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2015/08/06...
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33801894
MarkRSi said:
KTF said:
AreOut said:
France puts pressure on Malaysia to tell all about MH370
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2015/08/06...
Sounds like politics. Other than its missing (well the rest of it) what else is there to reveal?http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2015/08/06...
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33801894
Meanwhile the Malaysian officials are busy getting out the bunting ant trumpets and saying that it [i]is[/is] from MH370 which again makes them look like clowns. Waiting a few more days would make little difference in the grand scheme of things.
The French have one job here - a simple job. They need to say "yes it is" or they need to say "no its not".
Releasing a statement that says "its highly likely" is highly unprofessional. They are supposed to be the professional investigating authority.
They should have either confirmed it, or they should have said they are not yet ready to declare.
A Gallic shrug has no place in these proceedings.
Releasing a statement that says "its highly likely" is highly unprofessional. They are supposed to be the professional investigating authority.
They should have either confirmed it, or they should have said they are not yet ready to declare.
A Gallic shrug has no place in these proceedings.
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