Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"

Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"

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AreOut

3,658 posts

160 months

Saturday 8th August 2015
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it doesn't make any sense (not that suicide makes lot of sense either)

AdeTuono

7,240 posts

226 months

Saturday 8th August 2015
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AreOut said:
it doesn't make any sense (not that suicide makes lot of sense either)
Nor do you, for the most part.

TheSnitch

2,342 posts

153 months

Saturday 8th August 2015
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AdeTuono said:
AreOut said:
it doesn't make any sense (not that suicide makes lot of sense either)
Nor do you, for the most part.
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AreOut

3,658 posts

160 months

Saturday 8th August 2015
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AdeTuono said:
Nor do you, for the most part.
to each his own

nigelpugh7

5,996 posts

189 months

Saturday 8th August 2015
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So The French investigators and the authorities that be have had the so called confirmed flapperon for almost a week now.

Now I am no tin foil hatter, but something is definitely not right here again.

Once again we are not being told the full truth, and I a confident there is a lot of political conversations going on between the authorities that we are not going to be told about.

I just hope that we get some truth for the sake of the families very soon, this can't be dragged out much longer,, surely?.

Edited by nigelpugh7 on Saturday 8th August 21:41

eharding

13,600 posts

283 months

Saturday 8th August 2015
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nigelpugh7 said:
So Airbus and the authorities that be have had the so called confirmed flapperon for almost a week now.

Now I am no tin foil hatter, but something is definitely not right here again.

Once again we are not being told the full truth, and I a confident there is a lot of political conversations going on between the authorities that we are not going to be told about.

I just hope that we get some truth for the sake of the families very soon, this can't be dragged out much longer,, surely?.
Airbus?

I think you're the one having a 'flapperon'.

nigelpugh7

5,996 posts

189 months

Saturday 8th August 2015
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eharding said:
French Investigatiors!

I think you're the one having a 'flapperon'.
Sorry Freudian slip,,was having another discussion about Airbus airframes! On another thread.

Still the point I made about the authorities not revealing all is valid!


Edited by nigelpugh7 on Saturday 8th August 21:42

nigelpugh7

5,996 posts

189 months

Saturday 8th August 2015
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Edited my response, sorry for the confusion!

Let's hope we get some answers soon!

MikeyC

836 posts

226 months

Sunday 9th August 2015
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Mr_B said:
Was watching this one just this morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV0xJY_Vcug
lets just hope after all the searching when they finally find the CVR and FDR only to find that the crew turned them off like in the SilkAir flight !
or maybe that's not possible on a 777

Magog

2,652 posts

188 months

Tuesday 11th August 2015
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Martin4x4 said:
KTF said:
CAPP0 said:
(Semi)-serious question - do flaperons fall off 777s sufficiently frequently, without them crashing, that this could possibly have come from another plane? In other words, are they bolting new flaperons on with such boring regularity that they can't decide whether it might have come from any one of 500 planes currently on the ground with a flaperon missing?

I believe I know the answer to this somewhat-rhetorical question already; however....
From what they have said on pprune, none have fallen off in flight and if the did then it would be reported and logged.
It would also be a major problem for the plane
To temporarily reach for my composite honeycomb and aerospace grade tinfoil hat, presumably the corresponding flaperon from MH17 has been recovered?

TheSnitch

2,342 posts

153 months

Tuesday 11th August 2015
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Magog said:
To temporarily reach for my composite honeycomb and aerospace grade tinfoil hat, presumably the corresponding flaperon from MH17 has been recovered?
Oh please don't give them ideas. Not so soon after the re-run of ''Sherlock'' and his corpse-swapping antics

AreOut

3,658 posts

160 months

Friday 14th August 2015
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MH370 Surface Debris – Comparative Analysis of Drift Models

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-r3yuaF2p72dk9ua...

Morningside

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24,110 posts

228 months

Friday 14th August 2015
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AreOut said:
MH370 Surface Debris – Comparative Analysis of Drift Models

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-r3yuaF2p72dk9ua...
Thanks for that. thumbup

TheSnitch

2,342 posts

153 months

Friday 14th August 2015
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AreOut said:
MH370 Surface Debris – Comparative Analysis of Drift Models

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-r3yuaF2p72dk9ua...
An unpublished, non peer-reviewed paper, completely devoid of objectivity.

I enjoyed it, thanks beer

Good luck getting it published.......

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 15th August 2015
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Quote used from the article, homebrew article links to, by Areout.

'Our chief oceanographer working on the search, Dr David Griffin, concluded that if the flaperon drifted...then its arrival at Le Reunion could mean it originated from the present MH370 search area...'

'However, David Also concluded that because of the turbulent nature of the ocean, and the uncertainties of the modelling, it is impossible to use La Reunion n finding to refine or shift the search area.'

This is the guy leading the search.

TheSnitch

2,342 posts

153 months

Saturday 15th August 2015
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AreOut said:
MH370 Surface Debris – Comparative Analysis of Drift Models

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-r3yuaF2p72dk9ua...
I wonder if you can explain something to me?

Only one piece of confirmed wreckage has been recovered. The location is therefore the equivalent of a single data point on a graph.

The location is within the projected range suggested by the various models, assuming a crash site as previously modelled.

The author of this unpublished, non peer-reviewed paper, however seems rather confused, claiming that other destinations for drift of wreckage are ''more probable''

If, however, the location is within the hypothesized zone then the model is valid. Any re-evaluation would only be possible with the recovery of numerous pieces of wreckage. It would be a different matter if it had washed up in Norfolk, or anywhere else highly unlikely given the drift projections and calculated crash site.

I think what I am trying to get at is that it's a heap of crap, but I'm trying to go about it nicely.


Edited by TheSnitch on Saturday 15th August 10:02

Steffan

10,362 posts

227 months

Saturday 15th August 2015
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TheSnitch said:
AreOut said:
MH370 Surface Debris – Comparative Analysis of Drift Models

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-r3yuaF2p72dk9ua...
I wonder if you can explain something to me?

Only one piece of confirmed wreckage has been recovered. The location is therefore the equivalent of a single data point on a graph.

The location is within the projected range suggested by the various models, assuming a crash site as previously modelled.

The author of this unpublished, non per-reviewed paper, however seems rather confused, claiming that other destinations for drift of wreckage are ''more probable''

If, however, the location is within the hypothesized zone then the model is valid. Any re-evaluation would only be possible with the recovery of numerous pieces of wreckage. It would be a different matter if it had washed up in Norfolk, or anywhere else highly unlikely given the drift projections and calculated crash site.

I think what I am trying to get at is that it's a heap of crap, but I'm trying to go about it nicely.
I think the point is well made. Since the certainty of the debris being from MH370 still remains not entirely confirmed as yet any projections are at best guesses. If absolute certainty is achieved on the definite origins of this flapperon then such projections might be better made. The Malaysians are being so inept and shilly shallying on the whole affair I do wonder what they are about? Wait and see is not very satisfactory but given the paucity of confirmed information probably the best approach.

AreOut

3,658 posts

160 months

Saturday 15th August 2015
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TheSnitch said:
An unpublished, non peer-reviewed paper, completely devoid of objectivity.

I enjoyed it, thanks beer

Good luck getting it published.......
the article is not mine nor I know the guy, couldn't care less if it will get published or not

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 15th August 2015
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AreOut said:
TheSnitch said:
An unpublished, non peer-reviewed paper, completely devoid of objectivity.

I enjoyed it, thanks beer

Good luck getting it published.......
the article is not mine nor I know the guy, couldn't care less if it will get published or not
Interesting that if the calculactions are correct, the plane went down somewhere else in all likelihood . As suspected all along. So the much maligned eye witnesses on the Maldives could have been right all along?

Steffan

10,362 posts

227 months

Saturday 15th August 2015
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Jimboka said:
AreOut said:
TheSnitch said:
An unpublished, non peer-reviewed paper, completely devoid of objectivity.

I enjoyed it, thanks beer

Good luck getting it published.......
the article is not mine nor I know the guy, couldn't care less if it will get published or not
Interesting that if the calculactions are correct, the plane went down somewhere else in all likelihood . As suspected all along. So the much maligned eye witnesses on the Maldives could have been right all along?
That does seem possible. From the start the Malaysians have been less than forthright in confirming the details that they presumably must know by now? Is the Flapperon from that plane? Very probably still the best assassement available some weeks after discovery? Not exactly plain and simple detail is it?

The more I see of this sad affair the more I despair that the whole truth will ever come out. Other aviation tragedies remain less than competely explained and regrettably I do wonder if this maybe one of those. Sad business, tragedy for the travellers and the bereaved families. Not good publicity for the air travel businesses. No winners.