Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"

[FourWheelDrift]

sparks_E39 said:

Indeed, and it's entirely feasible that MH370 could be a lot deeper than Titanic. The ocean floor where Titanic lays is on a very gradual slope, so it was relatively easier to find once technology allowed. Large areas of the ocean floor are littered with huge caverns, MH370 could well be lost forever.

Yep, Bismark for example is 4,791 m down that's almost another mile down.

[MartG]

Starfighter said:

And no real ability to issue Mangnetic Aanomily Detection as an aircraft is mainly non-ferrous.

Way to deep to be detected that way

[anonymous-user]

Blaster72 said:

sparks_E39 said:

Unfortunately I can't provide a link, it was on a forum regarding Titanic, it was found to be inaccurate, although not far off. It does the rounds though. Remarkable how well Titanic is preserved considering.

Ta very much. I thought it looked pretty accurate to me as a visual representation.

Bit of a thread drift but I've always liked this one as a size comparison for Titanic.

Remember that the titanic is still largely intact so searchers we're looking for a huge amount of iron in one known area.




The 777 smaller than the A380 in the picture is broken up and probably the largest sections would possibly only be engine sized. And nobody knows where it is.

[SpeckledJim]

Willy Nilly said:

Borroxs said:

Willy Nilly said:

SpeckledJim said:

Willy Nilly said:

There was a bloke on the wireless today from the search organisation (they found the Air France plane) and he said if they are give the area the plane is in they will find it.

Well, yeah.

Tell me which room you are in, and I will find you.

It's probably that simple finding a broken aircraft at the bottom of the Indian ocean. Defo.

They need to define the term 'area'. Pretty sure I could define an area with 100% certainty. Might be a but large though....

It seemed he wanted it narrowed down a little from tens of thousands of square miles of south Indian Ocean. It didn't taken them long to find the Air France plane once they were given an idea where it was. As it is they are working almost blind.

If anyone could outline a small area the plane was definitely in, they would have done that already.

"tell me where it is, ish, and I will find it" is totally meaningless.

[Willy Nilly]

SpeckledJim said:

Willy Nilly said:

Borroxs said:

Willy Nilly said:

SpeckledJim said:

Willy Nilly said:

There was a bloke on the wireless today from the search organisation (they found the Air France plane) and he said if they are give the area the plane is in they will find it.

Well, yeah.

Tell me which room you are in, and I will find you.

It's probably that simple finding a broken aircraft at the bottom of the Indian ocean. Defo.

They need to define the term 'area'. Pretty sure I could define an area with 100% certainty. Might be a but large though....

It seemed he wanted it narrowed down a little from tens of thousands of square miles of south Indian Ocean. It didn't taken them long to find the Air France plane once they were given an idea where it was. As it is they are working almost blind.

If anyone could outline a small area the plane was definitely in, they would have done that already.

"tell me where it is, ish, and I will find it" is totally meaningless.

It may be more complex than looking out of the ships window and saying "oh, there is it".

[nigelpugh7]

SpeckledJim said:

Well, yeah.

Tell me which room you are in, and I will find you.

Exactly, but I think the point Willy Nilly was making, and the guy from the search and rescue team,,was that if the authorities and Malaysia Airlines actual lifted the ring of steel that have around the location information that they have it would be easy to locate.

Several,of my pilot buddies know other Commercial,Pilots who have been " gagged by Malaysia airlines " because they knowmto much about the information that is known, but not made public.

Of course that could all be the usual tin foil hat conspiracy therories too, but the pilots I know are all commercial, captains, for major airlines, one of them a Middle East airllije too, and are not normally given to believing in crackpots!

[SpeckledJim]

Willy Nilly said:

SpeckledJim said:

Willy Nilly said:

Borroxs said:

Willy Nilly said:

SpeckledJim said:

Willy Nilly said:

There was a bloke on the wireless today from the search organisation (they found the Air France plane) and he said if they are give the area the plane is in they will find it.

Well, yeah.

Tell me which room you are in, and I will find you.

It's probably that simple finding a broken aircraft at the bottom of the Indian ocean. Defo.

They need to define the term 'area'. Pretty sure I could define an area with 100% certainty. Might be a but large though....

It seemed he wanted it narrowed down a little from tens of thousands of square miles of south Indian Ocean. It didn't taken them long to find the Air France plane once they were given an idea where it was. As it is they are working almost blind.

If anyone could outline a small area the plane was definitely in, they would have done that already.

"tell me where it is, ish, and I will find it" is totally meaningless.

It may be more complex than looking out of the ships window and saying "oh, there is it".

That isn't my point. My point is that 'the area' is a sufficiently meaningless term that what he offered/promised to do wasn't worth the paper it was written on.

Never mind.

[SpeckledJim]

nigelpugh7 said:

SpeckledJim said:

Well, yeah.

Tell me which room you are in, and I will find you.

Exactly, but I think the point Willy Nilly was making, and the guy from the search and rescue team,,was that if the authorities and Malaysia Airlines actual lifted the ring of steel that have around the location information that they have it would be easy to locate.

Several,of my pilot buddies know other Commercial,Pilots who have been " gagged by Malaysia airlines " because they knowmto much about the information that is known, but not made public.

Of course that could all be the usual tin foil hat conspiracy therories too, but the pilots I know are all commercial, captains, for major airlines, one of them a Middle East airllije too, and are not normally given to believing in crackpots!

The suggestion being that the Malaysians (and some other pilots) know the Australians were looking in the wrong area?

And that if the Malaysians 'fess up, and hand over the data then the chap who found the AF plane will come and find it?

Sounds pretty straight-forward, who do we need to sue?

[nigelpugh7]

SpeckledJim said:

The suggestion being that the Malaysians (and some other pilots) know the Australians were looking in the wrong area?

And that if the Malaysians 'fess up, and hand over the data then the chap who found the AF plane will come and find it?

Sounds pretty straight-forward, who do we need to sue?

That's pretty close to what I have heard in certain discussions.

I know a lot of it is to do with the Malaysians not wanting to loose face because they kept what they really know about Captain Shah hidden from both Press and the next of kin.

Although am I not right in thinking that once they declared the search over, and all souls lost, the process for awarding claims and compensation to the relatives and families will start?

Would it be differnt if the world found out that the truth was something like Captian Shah had planned for a long time to crash a plane full,of passengers, as an example of another outcome?.

[Gareth79]

sparks_E39 said:

The Spruce goose said:

B17NNS said:

It'll be a Titanic type situation I imagine. In years to come technology will improve and it may be found eventually.

Really I imagine everyday more of the plane is disappearing and will most likely never be found.

It's nowhere near the scale of the Titanic disaster. I doubt sadly that there will be any interest in years to come, also it's much smaller and possibly deeper than the Titanic, which took 73 years to find.

It's a mystery that I think will endure. We knew why the Titanic sunk, when it sunk and roughly where, and there were survivors who told of exactly what happened. In this case there are many unknowns.

[anonymous-user]

titantic was fuelled by American money in the serach.

the truth is it cost money to search and unless someone privately comes up with it, and I would say you would be looking at hundreds of million to start it all again then it won't happen.

my thought was some sort of particle analysis machine taking samples at points in the ocean and trying to pinpoint the plane. there must be a chemical signature the plane must give off as it decays.

[AdeTuono]

The Spruce goose said:

my thought was some sort of particle analysis machine taking samples at points in the ocean and trying to pinpoint the plane. there must be a chemical signature the plane must give off as it decays.

Does such a thing exist, or are you imagining it? And if it does, it must have to be able to detect 1 part in several billion.

[Borroxs]

AdeTuono said:

The Spruce goose said:

my thought was some sort of particle analysis machine taking samples at points in the ocean and trying to pinpoint the plane. there must be a chemical signature the plane must give off as it decays.

Does such a thing exist, or are you imagining it? And if it does, it must have to be able to detect 1 part in several billion.

And what chemical signature? There would have been no fuel left in the aircraft if it did fly to its maximum distance, and it's almost entirely made of aluminium, which really doesn't oxidise much at 3000 feet depth. Plus, the real deep currents don't mix with the currents near the surface....

It will only be found by looking real hard or by total accident. As no ne is really looking at this piece of the planet - no oil prospecting etc, I can't see it ever being found by accident.

[SpeckledJim]

nigelpugh7 said:

SpeckledJim said:

The suggestion being that the Malaysians (and some other pilots) know the Australians were looking in the wrong area?

And that if the Malaysians 'fess up, and hand over the data then the chap who found the AF plane will come and find it?

Sounds pretty straight-forward, who do we need to sue?

That's pretty close to what I have heard in certain discussions.

I know a lot of it is to do with the Malaysians not wanting to loose face because they kept what they really know about Captain Shah hidden from both Press and the next of kin.

Although am I not right in thinking that once they declared the search over, and all souls lost, the process for awarding claims and compensation to the relatives and families will start?

Would it be differnt if the world found out that the truth was something like Captian Shah had planned for a long time to crash a plane full,of passengers, as an example of another outcome?.

I can well imagine the Malaysians do want to save face, especially if Shah was a lunatic, but the idea of people as distant from the Malay govt. as foreign pilots flying for other airlines knowing something relevant but having been 'gagged' - that's stretching credibility for me.

[Starfighter]

MartG said:

Starfighter said:

And no real ability to issue Mangnetic Aanomily Detection as an aircraft is mainly non-ferrous.

Way to deep to be detected that way

I never knew that. Thank you for adding to my vault of facts that are of little practical use in life.

[AreOut]

AdeTuono said:

If only they'd listened to AreOut....

there ego is too big for that, we've seen how "expert" analysis disregarding common sense and leaning on meaningless theories worked in predicting US elections, same happened here

[eldar]

AreOut said:

there ego is too big for that, we've seen how "expert" analysis disregarding common sense and leaning on meaningless theories worked in predicting US elections, same happened here

Trump did it?

[AreOut]

eldar said:

Trump did it?

well he became president despite hundreds of "experts" laughing about that possibility and writing endless articles how that's simply impossible to happen

we have similar happening with so called AGW, they have made a religion out of it despite it's getting more and more obvious it's just bks

[eldar]

AreOut said:

well he became president despite hundreds of "experts" laughing about that possibility and writing endless articles how that's simply impossible to happen

we have similar happening with so called AGW, they have made a religion out of it despite it's getting more and more obvious it's just bks

And some of those same experts predicted a Trump win. However, that was dealing with predictions, rather than evidence.

It is bks that 15 record breaking global annual average temperatures have happened since 2000?

The lost plane and its passengers are extremely unlikely to be found, so we will be unlikely to discover any more solid evidence that adds to what we already know.

Plenty of scope for conspiracies, though.

[anonymous-user]

AreOut said:

AdeTuono said:

If only they'd listened to AreOut....

there ego is too big for that, we've seen how "expert" analysis disregarding common sense and leaning on meaningless theories worked in predicting US elections, same happened here

You haven't been talking common sense.