Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"
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Exactly.
They might have tried (and even succeeded) to open the cockpit door from there(if Captain didn't somehow physically made it impossible). In E/E bay there are C/Bs for everything including communication navigation etc. so they could be accidentally turned off which is expected from someone not familiar with it.
They might have tried (and even succeeded) to open the cockpit door from there(if Captain didn't somehow physically made it impossible). In E/E bay there are C/Bs for everything including communication navigation etc. so they could be accidentally turned off which is expected from someone not familiar with it.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: So they spent all that money on fitting kevlar doors on all those aircraft after 9/11 but anyone in the back could just pull up a bit of carpet and go turn off all the electronic stuff that keeps the plane flying? 
I'm struggling a little with that one....
A hacker said he was able to take control of a plane in-flight, so easier.I'm struggling a little with that one....
https://www.wired.com/2015/05/feds-say-banned-rese...
Hackers say a lot of things. Mostly for publicity.
He said he had already proven the theory and controlled a flight, from his seat despite not having the hardware to do so and using a network that wasn’t connected to anything vaguely useful.
However, let’s not let the facts get in the way of what one person said.
He said he had already proven the theory and controlled a flight, from his seat despite not having the hardware to do so and using a network that wasn’t connected to anything vaguely useful.
However, let’s not let the facts get in the way of what one person said.
Six Figs said:
A hacker said he was able to take control of a plane in-flight, so easier.
https://www.wired.com/2015/05/feds-say-banned-rese...
That lot was total fantasy. Full of major factual errors from start to finish. https://www.wired.com/2015/05/feds-say-banned-rese...
Six Figs said:
A hacker said he was able to take control of a plane in-flight, so easier.
https://www.wired.com/2015/05/feds-say-banned-rese...
Even if that is 100% true he won't be on my next flight whilst if it truly is "just a piece of carpet" separating 300 passengers from the avionics bay...https://www.wired.com/2015/05/feds-say-banned-rese...
Jonesy23 said:
That lot was total fantasy. Full of major factual errors from start to finish.
it maybe is but ''The Government Accountability Office said last week that some commercial aircraft may be vulnerable to hacking over their onboard wireless networks. 'Modern aircraft are increasingly connected to the Internet. ''So as much as posters may say what he said is bs, it is based on facts.
The fbi also issued a warning to 'look out for hackers', i am surprised they would issue such a statement.
Edited by Six Figs on Saturday 10th February 12:49
'Facts'. 'May be'.
When something contains major factual errors about the architecture and implementation of something, and the ways it can be compromised I take it with a mine full of salt.
It's not that you absolutely can't hack the stuff and make it dance to your tune but the ways they describe can't work and the ways that do work aren't practical without a level of access that you can't manage from the cabin, and without the right equipment and physical access to avionics.
Claiming you can do it from your seat with a laptop is ignorant skiddie wannabee bullst.
When something contains major factual errors about the architecture and implementation of something, and the ways it can be compromised I take it with a mine full of salt.
It's not that you absolutely can't hack the stuff and make it dance to your tune but the ways they describe can't work and the ways that do work aren't practical without a level of access that you can't manage from the cabin, and without the right equipment and physical access to avionics.
Claiming you can do it from your seat with a laptop is ignorant skiddie wannabee bulls
t. Jonesy23 said:
Claiming you can do it from your seat with a laptop is ignorant skiddie wannabee bullst.
http://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/54581/hacking/hacking-ife-systems.htmlt. 'Unfortunately, in some cases, the lack of a physical separation between IFE systems and control systems could allow an attacker to threaten the flight safety.'
'“In some scenarios such an attack would be physically impossible due to the isolation of these systems, while in other an attack remains theoretically feasible. The ability to cross the ‘red line’ between the passenger entertainment and owned devices domain and the aircraft control domain relies heavily on the specific devices, software and configuration deployed on the target aircraft,” '
Are you just googling that, or do you actually know what they’re talking about?
So far you’ve conflated access from onboard and vulnerabilities due to the increased prevalence of internet connectivity.
Let’s we if we can get to the crux of this.
Using google if you must, consider a 777 aircraft (I.e mh370).
Then identify any connections between the inflight entertainment system (presented to passenger seats) and any control systems on the aircraft.
Tell us whether those connections are 1 or 2 way, the network technology used and how you think it’s possible to somehow gain access to the extent of controlling an aircraft to the exclusion of the pilots
So far you’ve conflated access from onboard and vulnerabilities due to the increased prevalence of internet connectivity.
Let’s we if we can get to the crux of this.
Using google if you must, consider a 777 aircraft (I.e mh370).
Then identify any connections between the inflight entertainment system (presented to passenger seats) and any control systems on the aircraft.
Tell us whether those connections are 1 or 2 way, the network technology used and how you think it’s possible to somehow gain access to the extent of controlling an aircraft to the exclusion of the pilots
yajeed said:
Are you just googling that, or do you actually know what they’re talking about?
No I am not an expert but you insinuated that it couldn't be done, when I have posted news that it is potentially possible . The USA have actually 'hacked' an older jet via Rf signal. I very much doubt any of this happened on MH370, but to say it is impossible is moronic, no one knows 100%.Anyway..
I didn’t say hacking a plane was impossible, just that it is extremely unlikely given what we know.
An raf jet has about as much in common with a 777 as my car. I’ve heard hacking cars is possible so I’m sure a 777 is, and a 777 has wings, so I’m sure the same method will work on most birds. Maybe that’s what triggered the attacks in Hitchcock’s movie?
Is it wrong to wish we had someone with better googling skills..... like Yipper?
An raf jet has about as much in common with a 777 as my car. I’ve heard hacking cars is possible so I’m sure a 777 is, and a 777 has wings, so I’m sure the same method will work on most birds. Maybe that’s what triggered the attacks in Hitchcock’s movie?
Is it wrong to wish we had someone with better googling skills..... like Yipper?
AreOut said:
I doubt plane electronics is connected to network/Internet. No reason to be.
Airlines are about making money, if they can monitor the health of the aircraft, detect when parts fail or are about to fail they can have replacements ready, not take the aircraft out of service and make more money.There is also increasing interest in smart routing. Flying in fixed corridors, height separation etc. costs fuel and time, so money.
Increasingly aircraft will be more "connected".
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