Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"
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Thesprucegoose said:
The Mad Monk said:
Who or what is AREOUT?
Is there a link to this booklet?
That is his posting name, it it back in he thread somewhere.Is there a link to this booklet?
He seems to think it was a plan by the captain.
No disrespect, but it seems to be just another theory - or have I not been paying attention, again?
The Mad Monk said:
Areout seems to have posted several times on this thread. The most recent seems to be on February 11th.
He seems to think it was a plan by the captain.
No disrespect, but it seems to be just another theory - or have I not been paying attention, again?
It is just a theory, though I think the issue was the way in which that theory was communicated - as a fact. He seems to think it was a plan by the captain.
No disrespect, but it seems to be just another theory - or have I not been paying attention, again?
I may be misremembering though!
The Mad Monk said:
Areout seems to have posted several times on this thread. The most recent seems to be on February 11th.
He seems to think it was a plan by the captain.
No disrespect, but it seems to be just another theory - or have I not been paying attention, again?
Areout is our resident loon...He seems to think it was a plan by the captain.
No disrespect, but it seems to be just another theory - or have I not been paying attention, again?
yajeed said:
It is just a theory, though I think the issue was the way in which that theory was communicated - as a fact.
I may be misremembering though!
It's a theory, theories aren't facts. I have just listed several possibilites why and how it could happen, nothing else. It's completely compatible with all known data and human behaviour. I may be misremembering though!
AreOut said:
It's a theory, theories aren't facts. I have just listed several possibilites why and how it could happen, nothing else. It's completely compatible with all known data and human behaviour.
I was referring to where you said this: 'There is no other plausible reason why anybody would do it like this'. The implication is that your 'theory' is the only plausible reason, which I think is a stretch.
yajeed said:
AreOut said:
It's a theory, theories aren't facts. I have just listed several possibilites why and how it could happen, nothing else. It's completely compatible with all known data and human behaviour.
I was referring to where you said this: 'There is no other plausible reason why anybody would do it like this'. The implication is that your 'theory' is the only plausible reason, which I think is a stretch.
He actually said it.
His theory was the ONLY explanation.
Anyone with the slightest knowledge of aircraft and the B777 or even just some common sense can see it’s a load of blagging google nonsense.
I fail to see another reason why would someone bother to fly the best possible route to evade malaysian and indonesian interception, go around Sumatra and turn towards Australia if not to reach australian territory.
Maybe he changed his mind along the way and suddenly decided suicide would be a good option, not sure how realistic is that though.
Maybe he changed his mind along the way and suddenly decided suicide would be a good option, not sure how realistic is that though.
El stovey said:
It’s not really an implication.
He actually said it.
His theory was the ONLY explanation.
Anyone with the slightest knowledge of aircraft and the B777 or even just some common sense can see it’s a load of blagging google nonsense.
Well, he did say 'plausible', and since that's subjective, it's based on his opinion/logic, which I disagree with He actually said it.
His theory was the ONLY explanation.
Anyone with the slightest knowledge of aircraft and the B777 or even just some common sense can see it’s a load of blagging google nonsense.
So, being kind, he thinks that his theory is the only theory was is probable/sensible.....
AreOut said:
I fail to see another reason why would someone bother to fly the best possible route to evade malaysian and indonesian interception, go around Sumatra and turn towards Australia if not to reach australian territory.
Maybe he changed his mind along the way and suddenly decided suicide would be a good option, not sure how realistic is that though.
So the best plausible theory is that a pilot knew how to fly a plane to evade military intervention as well as commercial and military radar intended to fly to Australia? So, he left the cabin, disabled all but 1 transmitter, then returned to carry out his plan, without raising the suspicion of anyone else on board? However, despite all the planning, he changed his mind after a few hours of flight and committed suicide. His chosen method was what? To kill himself, crew and passengers then let the plane fly until it ran out of fuel, entered a death spiral and tore itself to pieces on the way down?Maybe he changed his mind along the way and suddenly decided suicide would be a good option, not sure how realistic is that though.
AreOut said:
I fail to see another reason why would someone bother to fly the best possible route to evade malaysian and indonesian interception, go around Sumatra and turn towards Australia if not to reach australian territory.
Maybe he changed his mind along the way and suddenly decided suicide would be a good option, not sure how realistic is that though.
There’s a multitude of events and combinations of these events that could lead to that route being flown. You can’t see them because you think it was intentional and don’t really know anything about the aircraft. Maybe he changed his mind along the way and suddenly decided suicide would be a good option, not sure how realistic is that though.
Stating your theory is the only possible one is nonsense.
going right along thai/malaysian border and skimming indonesian airspace while going around Sumatra can't be a coincidence, or it can but we are then talking about one in many billion chance
yajeed said:
So the best plausible theory is that a pilot knew how to fly a plane to evade military intervention as well as commercial and military radar intended to fly to Australia? So, he left the cabin, disabled all but 1 transmitter, then returned to carry out his plan, without raising the suspicion of anyone else on board? However, despite all the planning, he changed his mind after a few hours of flight and committed suicide. His chosen method was what? To kill himself, crew and passengers then let the plane fly until it ran out of fuel, entered a death spiral and tore itself to pieces on the way down?
He couldn't be sure about evading, he took his chance and caught them asleep which is nothing unusual for a 3rd world military not on alert. He didn't have to leave the cabin to turn off a transponder, I wonder if he left the cabin at all he probably sent the young copilot out of the cockpit and locked himself in. I don't think he changed his mind and committed suicide, passengers/copilot possibly found the way to breach into the cockpit, there were couple of engineers of board and they probably tampered with electronic bay which is accessible from the passenger area(actually there was a reset signal sent via satellite when they were going around Sumatra). Maybe they made a deal with him to land somewhere but while tampering with electronics they accidentally turned off important navigation/radio systems which would explain why they missed Christmas Island and why there was no VHF call or anything. AreOut said:
going right along thai/malaysian border and skimming indonesian airspace while going around Sumatra can't be a coincidence, or it can but we are then talking about one in many billion chance
You might be very interested to know that I was discussing the MH370 disappearance with a good friend at the weekend. He is a qualified aeronautical engineer but more importantly a 7000+ hour 777 pilot, instructor and type-rating examiner. I asked him what he think happened. He said he didn't have a fyajeed said:
So the best plausible theory is that a pilot knew how to fly a plane to evade military intervention as well as commercial and military radar intended to fly to Australia? So, he left the cabin, disabled all but 1 transmitter, then returned to carry out his plan, without raising the suspicion of anyone else on board? However, despite all the planning, he changed his mind after a few hours of flight and committed suicide. His chosen method was what? To kill himself, crew and passengers then let the plane fly until it ran out of fuel, entered a death spiral and tore itself to pieces on the way down?
He couldn't be sure about evading, he took his chance and caught them asleep which is nothing unusual for a 3rd world military not on alert. He didn't have to leave the cabin to turn off a transponder, I wonder if he left the cabin at all he probably sent the young copilot out of the cockpit and locked himself in. I don't think he changed his mind and committed suicide, passengers/copilot possibly found the way to breach into the cockpit, there were couple of engineers of board and they probably tampered with electronic bay which is accessible from the passenger area(actually there was a reset signal sent via satellite when they were going around Sumatra). Maybe they made a deal with him to land somewhere but while tampering with electronics they accidentally turned off important navigation/radio systems which would explain why they missed Christmas Island and why there was no VHF call or anything. 
king clue.AreOut said:
He couldn't be sure about evading, he took his chance and caught them asleep which is nothing unusual for a 3rd world military not on alert. He didn't have to leave the cabin to turn off a transponder, I wonder if he left the cabin at all he probably sent the young copilot out of the cockpit and locked himself in. I don't think he changed his mind and committed suicide, passengers/copilot possibly found the way to breach into the cockpit, there were couple of engineers of board and they probably tampered with electronic bay which is accessible from the passenger area(actually there was a reset signal sent via satellite when they were going around Sumatra). Maybe they made a deal with him to land somewhere but while tampering with electronics they accidentally turned off important navigation/radio systems which would explain why they missed Christmas Island and why there was no VHF call or anything.
The plot thickens. Ok, so the military were asleep. They continued to sleep, even though the plane was reported (by national media) to be missing. They were still asleep when reporting suspected sightings on military radar to the Malaysian government. After that the captain spoke to some engineers (presumably through a locked door, and explained using his in depth understanding of the technical details of aircraft communication systems what he wanted them to do, in enough depth for them to follow his instructions, effectively blind, and without any further communication from the captain). There was more than a couple on board. They worked for Freescale, a US company, and I believe it's speculated they worked on radar systems.
OK, so those engineers spoke to the captain, made a deal to land somewhere and not only failed to disable all of the communication systems, but accidentally disabled other systems.
I haven't heard about the reset signal you mention, having read the detailed information inmarsat published on the topic. The only reset they mentioned was about 6 hours into the flight and were assumed to be related to a power drop as fuel was exhausted and the engines stalled. There were 6 normal handshakes before that point though.
Edited by yajeed on Thursday 3rd May 16:02
JuniorD said:
AreOut said:
going right along thai/malaysian border and skimming indonesian airspace while going around Sumatra can't be a coincidence, or it can but we are then talking about one in many billion chance
You might be very interested to know that I was discussing the MH370 disappearance with a good friend at the weekend. He is a qualified aeronautical engineer but more importantly a 7000+ hour 777 pilot, instructor and type-rating examiner. I asked him what he think happened. He said he didn't have a fyajeed said:
So the best plausible theory is that a pilot knew how to fly a plane to evade military intervention as well as commercial and military radar intended to fly to Australia? So, he left the cabin, disabled all but 1 transmitter, then returned to carry out his plan, without raising the suspicion of anyone else on board? However, despite all the planning, he changed his mind after a few hours of flight and committed suicide. His chosen method was what? To kill himself, crew and passengers then let the plane fly until it ran out of fuel, entered a death spiral and tore itself to pieces on the way down?
He couldn't be sure about evading, he took his chance and caught them asleep which is nothing unusual for a 3rd world military not on alert. He didn't have to leave the cabin to turn off a transponder, I wonder if he left the cabin at all he probably sent the young copilot out of the cockpit and locked himself in. I don't think he changed his mind and committed suicide, passengers/copilot possibly found the way to breach into the cockpit, there were couple of engineers of board and they probably tampered with electronic bay which is accessible from the passenger area(actually there was a reset signal sent via satellite when they were going around Sumatra). Maybe they made a deal with him to land somewhere but while tampering with electronics they accidentally turned off important navigation/radio systems which would explain why they missed Christmas Island and why there was no VHF call or anything.king clue.The 'casual' observer is quite happy to kid themselves into thinking they know a lot more than they do because they can come up with a story that makes sense to them.
La Liga said:
t often takes an expert to realise when it's not possible to know.
The 'casual' observer is quite happy to kid themselves into thinking they know a lot more than they do because they can come up with a story that makes sense to them.
I think the one plausible explanation is that something unexpected happened, resulting in the aircraft flying in the wrong direction for a few hours before running out of fuel and ditching in the Indian Ocean. :-)The 'casual' observer is quite happy to kid themselves into thinking they know a lot more than they do because they can come up with a story that makes sense to them.
JuniorD said:
You might be very interested to know that I was discussing the MH370 disappearance with a good friend at the weekend. He is a qualified aeronautical engineer but more importantly a 7000+ hour 777 pilot, instructor and type-rating examiner. I asked him what he think happened. He said he didn't have a fking clue.
I don't have it either. I'm just speculating about what might have happened. It's a very special and complicated case that likely has to do a bit more with human psychology and captains political beliefs than flying experience. There are many experienced airline captains in the world but none of them took a plane towards non-approved destination just for their personal cause.king clue.yajeed said:
The plot thickens. Ok, so the military were asleep. They continued to sleep, even though the plane was reported (by national media) to be missing. They were still asleep when reporting suspected sightings on military radar to the Malaysian government.
After that the captain spoke to some engineers (presumably through a locked door, and explained using his in depth understanding of the technical details of aircraft communication systems what he wanted them to do, in enough depth for them to follow his instructions, effectively blind, and without any further communication from the captain). There was more than a couple on board. They worked for Freescale, a US company, and I believe it's speculated they worked on radar systems.
OK, so those engineers spoke to the captain, made a deal to land somewhere and not only failed to disable all of the communication systems, but accidentally disabled other systems.
I haven't heard about the reset signal you mention, having read the detailed information inmarsat published on the topic. The only reset they mentioned was about 6 hours into the flight and were assumed to be related to a power drop as fuel was exhausted and the engines stalled. There were 6 normal handshakes before that point though.
When it was reported to be missing it was already on a way out of malaysian airspace. The first thought was that it crashed in SCS.After that the captain spoke to some engineers (presumably through a locked door, and explained using his in depth understanding of the technical details of aircraft communication systems what he wanted them to do, in enough depth for them to follow his instructions, effectively blind, and without any further communication from the captain). There was more than a couple on board. They worked for Freescale, a US company, and I believe it's speculated they worked on radar systems.
OK, so those engineers spoke to the captain, made a deal to land somewhere and not only failed to disable all of the communication systems, but accidentally disabled other systems.
I haven't heard about the reset signal you mention, having read the detailed information inmarsat published on the topic. The only reset they mentioned was about 6 hours into the flight and were assumed to be related to a power drop as fuel was exhausted and the engines stalled. There were 6 normal handshakes before that point though.
Edited by yajeed on Thursday 3rd May 16:02
You didn't get me the speculation was they persuaded captain to open the cockpit door by turning various circuit breakers in E/E bay on and off to disrupt him(which could result in a SDU reset), there is also a C/B for cockpit door itself although its location is probably known only to engineers who work on 777 or similar Boeing planes.
I'm talking about SDU reset which occurred when they were around Indonesia(at 18:22/18:25 or so) likely at the moment his plan went downhill...it implies there was an action, being it from him or some passenger(s).
yajeed said:
I think the one plausible explanation is that something unexpected happened, resulting in the aircraft flying in the wrong direction for a few hours before running out of fuel and ditching in the Indian Ocean. :-)
That's insane! The ONLY plausible explanation is that it got caught in a tornado and is now somewhere in Kansas.AdeTuono said:
yajeed said:
I think the one plausible explanation is that something unexpected happened, resulting in the aircraft flying in the wrong direction for a few hours before running out of fuel and ditching in the Indian Ocean. :-)
That's insane! The ONLY plausible explanation is that it got caught in a tornado and is now somewhere in Kansas.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff