Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"
Discussion
El stovey said:
You don’t have a clue why the aircraft took that course. Why do you keep saying it was done for a personal cause?
Is there any other plausible reason why it would take that course? Hypoxia/technical fault/military engagement are all theories beaten to death and all have big holes that you can't explain whatever way you go.AreOut said:
El stovey said:
You don’t have a clue why the aircraft took that course. Why do you keep saying it was done for a personal cause?
Is there any other plausible reason why it would take that course? Hypoxia/technical fault/military engagement are all theories beaten to death and all have big holes that you can't explain whatever way you go.How on Earth have you beaten to death all other theories?
It could easily be a cargo or oxygen fire or explosion or technical problem or hypoxia or incapacitation or more likely a changing combination of these. With different crew members being conscious and having different oxygen supplies and the flight deck and different parts of the aircraft not being accessible all the time or even on fire.
Maybe the first turn is due to an initial emergency towards Penang, the next turn is something that was programmed into the FMC before one or both of the pilots died or became hypoxic before the events got worse, then last turn might be a cabin crew member eventually getting into the flight deck whilst on portable oxygen and trying random stuff before they too died or their oxygen ran out and they became hypoxic. Then you’ve got a ghost ship flying south with everyone dead.
This isn’t my theory. I don’t have a clue what happened but there are many many different complex combinations of events and scenarios that could lead to this happening.
So please stop saying your guesses are the most likely or the only plausible theories.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 3rd May 17:39
El stovey said:
It could easily be a cargo or oxygen fire or explosion or technical problem or hypoxia or incapacitation or more likely a changing combination of these.
Everything is possible in theory but how realistic is that actually?
AreOut said:
El stovey said:
It could easily be a cargo or oxygen fire or explosion or technical problem or hypoxia or incapacitation or more likely a changing combination of these.
Everything is possible in theory but how realistic is that actually?
They have an explosion or fire or something nasty so the captain or whoever turns initially in HDG select to a suitable airfield. (Penang) They’re on fire or the flight deck is full of smoke so they put on oxygen masks it’s chaotic.
Maybe the explosion has damaged the transponder and some associated electrics. Maybe the explosion has damaged their crew oxygen, there could be all kinds of problems.
They quickly put something in the FMC to fly towards in Penang but only get a couple of waypoints in before they die or become asphyxiated or hypoxic.
The aircraft is now either going off course in HDG select as it’s not following a track or it’s following the first two waypoints they got in for an arrival into Penang in LNAV.
Maybe there was a cockpit fire or oxygen explosion and they’re not even in the flightdeck anymore as the fire is so intense they had to get out and are fighting it from the cabin.
Once it overflies the last waypoint in the FMC, it just keeps going on the same heading to the north west or drifts around with the wind in HDG select.
Maybe then they’re dead. The passengers are dead and some cabin crew have managed to get some portable oxygen as the drop down oxygen has run out long ago.
They work through the portable oxygen cylinders and eventually get into the flight deck maybe there’s still fire and smoke and all sorts of nastyness. They turn the aircraft using heading select (they’re just trying stuff) and then their oxygen runs out and they also become hypoxic.
The Aircraft keeps going on its merry way till the fuel runs out.
As I said I have NO idea what happened this isn’t my theory what happened, but there are numerous possibilities and events which could result in that flight path and ending up in the southern ocean.
You can’t imagine or understand them as you don’t really know how the aircraft works. You’ve just googled some stuff and decided that your theory is the ONLY possible one. When anybody can see there are numerous possibilities that could lead to this outcome.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 3rd May 21:00
indonesian officials say the plane never crossed their airspace which means it either loitered west from Banda Aceh or drastically decreased its speed between 2 points, which further means BFO numbers aren't really compatible to straight ghost path that leads to already searched area
furthermore the autopilot would try to keep plane as level as possible after fuel exhaustion(this is stated by an experienced 777 pilot), BFO numbers say rate of descent decreases the northern you go up the 7th BTO arc
not to mention all independent flaperon drift analysis' that say there is a >90% probability the plane is (way) north of 30S
besides what's the probability that any plane after such explosion and fire continues to fly for 8 hours?
furthermore the autopilot would try to keep plane as level as possible after fuel exhaustion(this is stated by an experienced 777 pilot), BFO numbers say rate of descent decreases the northern you go up the 7th BTO arc
not to mention all independent flaperon drift analysis' that say there is a >90% probability the plane is (way) north of 30S
besides what's the probability that any plane after such explosion and fire continues to fly for 8 hours?
El stovey said:
As I said I have NO idea what happened this isn’t my theory what happened, but there are numerous possibilities and events which could result in that flight path and ending up in the southern ocean.
You can’t imagine or understand them as you don’t really know how the aircraft works. You’ve just googled some stuff and decided that your theory is the ONLY possible one. When anybody can see there are numerous possibilities that could lead to this outcome.
Between the two of you, many options are covered, but you seen very closed/100% certain on your views where quite clearly no one can be certain of anything (why such strong view?).You can’t imagine or understand them as you don’t really know how the aircraft works. You’ve just googled some stuff and decided that your theory is the ONLY possible one. When anybody can see there are numerous possibilities that could lead to this outcome.
Edited by El stovey on Thursday 3rd May 21:00
if he wanted to commit suicide having goal to never be found then why would he fly for so long after entering SIO and why would he get closer to Australia and risk being noticed by their radars? I don't dismiss that possibility but I doubt it would be preplanned, in that case he probably decided to do it after his original plan failed.
El stovey said:
What on Earth are you talking about?
You’re just blagging.
what exactly are you referring to? Everything I said is public knowledge.You’re just blagging.
AreOut said:
if he wanted to commit suicide having goal to never be found then why would he fly for so long after entering SIO and why would he get closer to Australia and risk being noticed by their radars? I don't dismiss that possibility but I doubt it would be preplanned, in that case he probably decided to do it after his original plan failed.
Humour me here, it the earth round or flat?El stovey said:
What on Earth are you talking about?
You’re just blagging.
what exactly are you referring to? Everything I said is public knowledge.You’re just blagging.
AreOut said:
WinstonWolf said:
Humour me here, it the earth round or flat?
it's a philosophical question, it's a round object that has properties of a flat one relative to us because of gravity
Depending on whose intepretation you read of course,rallycross said:
Between the two of you, many options are covered, but you seen very closed/100% certain on your views where quite clearly no one can be certain of anything (why such strong view?).
This is exactly why I didn’t want to be drawn into areout’s nonsense. I’m saying quite clearly that there’s loads of possibilities, and I don’t have a clue what happened.
I’m complaining that areout is saying his guess is the only possible one and dismissing other possibilities. When he clearly doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about.
Vipers said:
Neither is correct, its a bumpy spheroid. Depending on whose intepretation you read of course,
well..technically yes, that's correct Depending on whose intepretation you read of course,
El stovey said:
This is exactly why I didn’t want to be drawn into areout’s nonsense.
I’m saying quite clearly that there’s loads of possibilities, and I don’t have a clue what happened.
I’m complaining that areout is saying his guess is the only possible one and dismissing other possibilities. When he clearly doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about.
well everything is possible in theory, the thing is some possibilities are a bit more probable than the othersI’m saying quite clearly that there’s loads of possibilities, and I don’t have a clue what happened.
I’m complaining that areout is saying his guess is the only possible one and dismissing other possibilities. When he clearly doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about.
I would say without new evidence, pretty conclusive.
''They all agreed that the probability of it being an accident was 'one in a trillion' and that pilot captain Zaharie Amad Shah 'deliberately' brought down the plane.''
'After reconstructing MH370's actual flight plan, Mr Hardy made a chilling discovery that the captain made an unexplained and strange turn to fly over his hometown of Penang''
Seems pertinent.
''They all agreed that the probability of it being an accident was 'one in a trillion' and that pilot captain Zaharie Amad Shah 'deliberately' brought down the plane.''
'After reconstructing MH370's actual flight plan, Mr Hardy made a chilling discovery that the captain made an unexplained and strange turn to fly over his hometown of Penang''
Seems pertinent.
Edited by Thesprucegoose on Sunday 13th May 20:28
anonymous said:
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Which is correct as nobody apparently knows what happened. All we know is where the aircraft was likely to have been at different times and that the transponder was switched off or stopped working. We have no information whatsoever about why it followed that route at all.
Everything else is guesswork.
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