Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"

[Flumpo]

aeropilot said:

peterperkins said:

GliderRider said:

WSPR = Weak Signals Propogation Reporter

It is analysis of the distortion of amateur radio signals, which shows the location of aircraft when they cross them.

WSPR and MH370

That's very clever and seems to justify a further search in the now much smaller target area.

Search for what.....?

Other the large heavy objects of the two engines, and the landing gear assemblies, there will be nothing to find, the rest of the aircraft disintegrated on impact at high speed into the sea......hence just the small fragments that have turned up over the years.

That is something I have wondered. Given how buoyant and light most of the aeroplane is. Other than engines is there likely to be much at all down there?

[Starfighter]

The same logic applied to AF 443 and they recovered the black box flight data and voice recorders almost 2 years later and determined the cause(s)

The guys talking about the WSPR was ipen that his theory needed testing and had plans to do this overlaying his data with actual flight paths. Is this overlaps well then this should open up another search area.

[eliot]

Megaflow said:

I see there are a couple of chancers still claiming to know where it is. There is Richard Godfrey with his WSPR.

I wouldn’t consider him a chancer, he’s correlated the data with other similar flights to prove the theory.
It is credible imo - especially as a licensed ham.

[eharding]

aeropilot said:

Search for what.....?

Other the large heavy objects of the two engines, and the landing gear assemblies, there will be nothing to find, the rest of the aircraft disintegrated on impact at high speed into the sea......hence just the small fragments that have turned up over the years.

It's odd that practically nothing from *inside* the aircraft has been recovered though - a number of external parts have turned up which might conceivably have been torn off in a heavy ditching, but had the aircraft completely disintegrated on impact you would imagine there would be a vast amount of reasonably buoyant material released into the ocean - albeit harder to positively identify as coming from MH370. If the aircraft sank whilst still relatively intact then the bulk of that material would sink with it.

[hidetheelephants]

eharding said:

aeropilot said:

Search for what.....?

Other the large heavy objects of the two engines, and the landing gear assemblies, there will be nothing to find, the rest of the aircraft disintegrated on impact at high speed into the sea......hence just the small fragments that have turned up over the years.

It's odd that practically nothing from *inside* the aircraft has been recovered though - a number of external parts have turned up which might conceivably have been torn off in a heavy ditching, but had the aircraft completely disintegrated on impact you would imagine there would be a vast amount of reasonably buoyant material released into the ocean - albeit harder to positively identify as coming from MH370. If the aircraft sank whilst still relatively intact then the bulk of that material would sink with it.

You'd expect some of the luggage, seat squabs, cabin lining and other low density things that would drift similarly to the flaperon etc to end up on the east coast of africa also.

[Flumpo]

hidetheelephants said:

eharding said:

aeropilot said:

Search for what.....?

Other the large heavy objects of the two engines, and the landing gear assemblies, there will be nothing to find, the rest of the aircraft disintegrated on impact at high speed into the sea......hence just the small fragments that have turned up over the years.

It's odd that practically nothing from *inside* the aircraft has been recovered though - a number of external parts have turned up which might conceivably have been torn off in a heavy ditching, but had the aircraft completely disintegrated on impact you would imagine there would be a vast amount of reasonably buoyant material released into the ocean - albeit harder to positively identify as coming from MH370. If the aircraft sank whilst still relatively intact then the bulk of that material would sink with it.

You'd expect some of the luggage, seat squabs, cabin lining and other low density things that would drift similarly to the flaperon etc to end up on the east coast of africa also.

Isn’t the problem that so much junk washes up on these beaches and no one is looking for it as mh370. I saw an interview with some of the people who live where the first confirmed wing piece was found. I’m sure they said they have found loads of luggage and other stuff that could have been from mh370 but no one asking them and they didn’t know they should be looking.

To them it’s just junk, although one of the confirmed pieces is an interior part:



I think the guy who does the radio data above, has claimed to have found the back of a chair and some tv housing. But like luggage and other stuff that’s much harder to confirm.

I suppose you can’t expect everyone across this area to be checking if the junk that washes up is mh370 or not before they burn or get rid of it.

[sugerbear]

eharding said:

aeropilot said:

Search for what.....?

Other the large heavy objects of the two engines, and the landing gear assemblies, there will be nothing to find, the rest of the aircraft disintegrated on impact at high speed into the sea......hence just the small fragments that have turned up over the years.

It's odd that practically nothing from *inside* the aircraft has been recovered though - a number of external parts have turned up which might conceivably have been torn off in a heavy ditching, but had the aircraft completely disintegrated on impact you would imagine there would be a vast amount of reasonably buoyant material released into the ocean - albeit harder to positively identify as coming from MH370. If the aircraft sank whilst still relatively intact then the bulk of that material would sink with it.

They have found plastic surrounds from the seat back tv screens which have washed up on beaches

[s m]

JagLover said:

MonkeyBusiness said:

Yes. Thought it was very good.

So did I. Best documentary I have seen for a while,

Some supposition, unavoidable as presenting a "scenario", but if the facts they mention are true it is hard to see any other conclusion from them.

Excellent documentary

[Leptons]

Flumpo said:

aeropilot said:

peterperkins said:

GliderRider said:

WSPR = Weak Signals Propogation Reporter

It is analysis of the distortion of amateur radio signals, which shows the location of aircraft when they cross them.

WSPR and MH370

That's very clever and seems to justify a further search in the now much smaller target area.

Search for what.....?

Other the large heavy objects of the two engines, and the landing gear assemblies, there will be nothing to find, the rest of the aircraft disintegrated on impact at high speed into the sea......hence just the small fragments that have turned up over the years.

That is something I have wondered. Given how buoyant and light most of the aeroplane is. Other than engines is there likely to be much at all down there?

The flight data recorders are down there somewhere. They haven’t just atomised have they?

[aeropilot]

Leptons said:

Flumpo said:

aeropilot said:

peterperkins said:

GliderRider said:

WSPR = Weak Signals Propogation Reporter

It is analysis of the distortion of amateur radio signals, which shows the location of aircraft when they cross them.

WSPR and MH370

That's very clever and seems to justify a further search in the now much smaller target area.

Search for what.....?

Other the large heavy objects of the two engines, and the landing gear assemblies, there will be nothing to find, the rest of the aircraft disintegrated on impact at high speed into the sea......hence just the small fragments that have turned up over the years.

That is something I have wondered. Given how buoyant and light most of the aeroplane is. Other than engines is there likely to be much at all down there?

The flight data recorders are down there somewhere. They haven’t just atomised have they?

No, they'll be there.

I doubt they'll ever be found though.

[Flumpo]

Leptons said:

Flumpo said:

aeropilot said:

peterperkins said:

GliderRider said:

WSPR = Weak Signals Propogation Reporter

It is analysis of the distortion of amateur radio signals, which shows the location of aircraft when they cross them.

WSPR and MH370

That's very clever and seems to justify a further search in the now much smaller target area.

Search for what.....?

Other the large heavy objects of the two engines, and the landing gear assemblies, there will be nothing to find, the rest of the aircraft disintegrated on impact at high speed into the sea......hence just the small fragments that have turned up over the years.

That is something I have wondered. Given how buoyant and light most of the aeroplane is. Other than engines is there likely to be much at all down there?

The flight data recorders are down there somewhere. They haven’t just atomised have they?

They may well have atomised into smaller pieces yes, from the pressure, depth and potential impact. But I don’t think thats the main concern.

I would think the bigger challenge would be finding them in the silt with the technology available, even when they eventually find the wreckage location.

I’m not an expert, but the experts I have seen talk about them seem to have written off any hope of reading any data from them after this amount of time.

[hidetheelephants]

There's no chance of that, FDRs have survived far more violent crashes and being incinerated. Whether prolonged immersion will affect the storage medium is another matter but they will be intact.

[Flumpo]

hidetheelephants said:

There's no chance of that, FDRs have survived far more violent crashes and being incinerated. Whether prolonged immersion will affect the storage medium is another matter but they will be intact.

Yes, atomised is a bit far off the mark.

[M4cruiser]

Good programme, and IIRC they will test the WSPR theory before spending more millions searching the area it suggests, that seems like a sensible approach.
Once (if) they find something more substantial then it will be no expense spared to find the flight recorders. That's the only hope of finding out what happened. As mentioned earlier, Malaysia might not want that, but China and Australia would.

[119]

I thought the end of the documentary it said Malaysia were now looking into the WSPR theory and will potentially carry out another search this year if they agree with the findings.

[hidetheelephants]

119 said:

I thought the end of the documentary it said Malaysia were now looking into the WSPR theory and will potentially carry out another search this year if they agree with the findings.

I watched the BBC documentary yesterday; at the end it stated one of the survey companies involved has offered to look on a no find, no fee basis, so they obviously think it's out there to be found.

[Megaflow]

eliot said:

Megaflow said:

I see there are a couple of chancers still claiming to know where it is. There is Richard Godfrey with his WSPR.

I wouldn’t consider him a chancer, he’s correlated the data with other similar flights to prove the theory.
It is credible imo - especially as a licensed ham.

At first I thought it was credible, but I have since seen more information on it, apologies I can't remember where, that said it was extremely unlikely to be accurate enough to locate the plane with.

[Megaflow]

hidetheelephants said:

119 said:

I thought the end of the documentary it said Malaysia were now looking into the WSPR theory and will potentially carry out another search this year if they agree with the findings.

I watched the BBC documentary yesterday; at the end it stated one of the survey companies involved has offered to look on a no find, no fee basis, so they obviously think it's out there to be found.

That offer has been on the table for a year or more, the Malaysian government haven't take it up though, you do have to wonder why.

[The Wookie]

Megaflow said:

eliot said:

Megaflow said:

I see there are a couple of chancers still claiming to know where it is. There is Richard Godfrey with his WSPR.

I wouldn’t consider him a chancer, he’s correlated the data with other similar flights to prove the theory.
It is credible imo - especially as a licensed ham.

At first I thought it was credible, but I have since seen more information on it, apologies I can't remember where, that said it was extremely unlikely to be accurate enough to locate the plane with.

Just found this and making my way through it

https://mh370.radiantphysics.com/2021/12/19/wspr-c...

[Leptons]

hidetheelephants said:

There's no chance of that, FDRs have survived far more violent crashes and being incinerated. Whether prolonged immersion will affect the storage medium is another matter but they will be intact.

Exactly, they’re down there somewhere and I expect further to that intact. So it’s a bit of a strange thing to that “apart from the engines and landing gear there’s nothing down there worth finding” or words to that effect.

I’m unsure whether they use tapes still or hard drives?