Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"

[JuniorD]

I was surprised to see an acquaintance on the BBC documentary, lending credibility to what is pure conjecture at this stage.

[gamefreaks]

Mentour has done a video on MH370.

Still watching but super interesting stuff so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5K9HBiJpuk

[Brother D]

gamefreaks said:

Mentour has done a video on MH370.

Still watching but super interesting stuff so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5K9HBiJpuk

The radio interferrence is a super interesting aspect to this story.

It's highly likely the pilot pulled the circut breakers for the FDR/CVR considering the highly methodical steps taken to avoid detection. So even if the wreckage is found, you have to wonder what, if any, information could be obtained from them.

[trashbat]

eharding said:

Clearly, it would be technically possible to retrofit every airline CVR to use more modern technology, but from a commercial or safety perspective it simply isn't worth it - invariably if the recorder has been in a state where the data of interest has been over-written, the crew is still in a position to help the investigators looking into whatever the incident was (and if they're not being co-operative, and the CVR evidence is more about establishing culpability, then the actionable safety failures are organisational and managerial, and happened long before the crew got into the aircraft).

I believe that generally if a CVR fails before flight the aircraft is still allowed to operate a (small) number of sectors before the equipment has to be fixed, recognition that a broken CVR isn't going to make the aircraft itself any less safe to operate.

They already did do a retrofit. EASA required that all 30 minute CVRs were upgraded to 2 hours (and solid state) by 2019. So another retrofit to the new standard of 25 hours is feasible.

[peterperkins]

New search next year maybe..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cewxnwe5d11o

I wonder if they will be using that cleverly calculated ham radio signals possible location.

[Megaflow]

I find myself wondering if finding the wreckage will actually help answer the question of what happened anymore, it has been down there for over 10 years, surely the black boxes are of no use now?

I only know what has been released to the public, but as far as I understand they have only searched an area that is consistent with a sudden ditching, they haven't searched the area that it could be if it was a controlled landing. Now, if it was pilot suicide, there is a very good reason the Malaysia government do not want if found and haven't searched that area.

[Pommy]

Always found it interesting that the vast majority of passengers were Chinese yet China has done very little to help look in comparison to Australia and Malaysia

[-Cappo-]

peterperkins said:

I wonder if they will be using that cleverly calculated ham radio signals possible location.

The BBC were suggesting earlier that this will be the case.

[CoolHands]

Shame someone like Elon doesn’t do something useful with his money and fund this (not saying he should). I would love it if they ever manage to find it. Awful for those families.

[Megaflow]

Pommy said:

Always found it interesting that the vast majority of passengers were Chinese yet China has done very little to help look in comparison to Australia and Malaysia

That is a very interesting point I had never picked up on until you just mentioned it.

[Brother D]

Megaflow said:

Pommy said:

Always found it interesting that the vast majority of passengers were Chinese yet China has done very little to help look in comparison to Australia and Malaysia

That is a very interesting point I had never picked up on until you just mentioned it.

Well unless they are high ranking officials, I don't think culturally China places much value on citizen's lives in the bigger scheme of things...

[Lefty]

Hmmm.

I have a view, not necessarily supported by any facts, that the Chinese gov don’t really give a fk about their people on a human level. I don’t really know why I think this and I might well be completely wrong.

[Lefty]

Brother D said:

Megaflow said:

Pommy said:

Always found it interesting that the vast majority of passengers were Chinese yet China has done very little to help look in comparison to Australia and Malaysia

That is a very interesting point I had never picked up on until you just mentioned it.

Well unless they are high ranking officials, I don't think culturally China places much value on citizen's lives in the bigger scheme of things...

Ha, we posted at the exact same time and I think we are saying g the same thing.

[FourWheelDrift]

Maybe there were some Chinese on board that the Chinese government wanted to be disappeared.

[Katzenjammer]

Brother D said:

Megaflow said:

Pommy said:

Always found it interesting that the vast majority of passengers were Chinese yet China has done very little to help look in comparison to Australia and Malaysia

That is a very interesting point I had never picked up on until you just mentioned it.

Well unless they are high ranking officials, I don't think culturally China places much value on citizen's lives in the bigger scheme of things...

Arguably no different from the UK and USA then, but maybe just a little less covert.

[Mr Whippy]

EmailAddress said:

To be fair, trying to put oneself in family member shoes, I think after a certain effort had been made I'd rather see funding go to societal, procedural, or some other social change that has a tangible legacy.

Rather than pinging the ocean's depths for spent hope.

There are loads of examples of this in society though, for whatever reason accountability and understanding are useful.

Ie, if they find a cause that can be easily be prevented it saves another such loss in future, or reduces risk, or whatever.

We can progress and improve via this procrastination.

[skwdenyer]

EmailAddress said:

To be fair, trying to put oneself in family member shoes, I think after a certain effort had been made I'd rather see funding go to societal, procedural, or some other social change that has a tangible legacy.

Rather than pinging the ocean's depths for spent hope.

Since I *am* somebody whose loved one has gone missing, in different circumstances, and for whom further searching in water might yield answers, I couldn’t disagree with you more. I don’t give a damn about funding social change if the alternative is funding more searching. Others’ mileage may vary, of course.

[skwdenyer]

EmailAddress said:

skwdenyer said:

EmailAddress said:

To be fair, trying to put oneself in family member shoes, I think after a certain effort had been made I'd rather see funding go to societal, procedural, or some other social change that has a tangible legacy.

Rather than pinging the ocean's depths for spent hope.

Since I *am* somebody whose loved one has gone missing, in different circumstances, and for whom further searching in water might yield answers, I couldn’t disagree with you more. I don’t give a damn about funding social change if the alternative is funding more searching. Others’ mileage may vary, of course.

Fair. And noted.

And without making light, I wonder how you'll feel in a decade's time.

Reasonable question. Evidence from those who’ve lost loved ones longer ago suggests it doesn’t go away.

[heisthegaffer]

skwdenyer said:

EmailAddress said:

skwdenyer said:

EmailAddress said:

To be fair, trying to put oneself in family member shoes, I think after a certain effort had been made I'd rather see funding go to societal, procedural, or some other social change that has a tangible legacy.

Rather than pinging the ocean's depths for spent hope.

Since I *am* somebody whose loved one has gone missing, in different circumstances, and for whom further searching in water might yield answers, I couldn’t disagree with you more. I don’t give a damn about funding social change if the alternative is funding more searching. Others’ mileage may vary, of course.

Fair. And noted.

And without making light, I wonder how you'll feel in a decade's time.

Reasonable question. Evidence from those who’ve lost loved ones longer ago suggests it doesn’t go away.

Must be unbelievably tough Skwdenyer - best wishes mate.

[Chrisgr31]

It appears that there is another search taking place to find the aircraft.

https://x.com/newsbfm/status/1894284983579414872?s... Ocean Infinity who have looked before are having another go. Seems they will only be paid if they find it.