New 'Garden City' at Ebbsfleet

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109er

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Monday 17th March 2014
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They must be joking surely eek

Bluewater next door does NOT have any basements due to the local water table being only
4' below the surface (I was there when it was being built) and they have water pumps running
24 - 7 to keep it at that level.

This map shows where they intend to build these 15,000 + houses. The brown bit is all dirt/earth
infill and the water/lakes you can see are natural and not much lower than the surrounding area.

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Ebbsfleet&ll=...

Ebbsfleet International is just up and to the right so not that far away at all.

Should be interesting if they go ahead and we get another wet winter like this last one.

Mr_B

10,480 posts

242 months

Monday 17th March 2014
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I live 2 mins from Bluewater, can't say I'm thrilled to hear this, even though they started years ago with doing something on this site, simply because of the fact that one tiny incident at the Dartford Tunnel and the whole area is knackerd for miles around. The crap single lane design getting out and into Bluewater from the A2 is a joke. Hope they do something with the roads or build another Thames crossing.

dxg

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259 months

Monday 17th March 2014
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I rather think they've forgotten Howard's principles. This will be a 'garden city' in name only...

Hackney

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207 months

Monday 17th March 2014
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This is not a new plan and it won't be a "garden city" other than that it's another fantastic new idea from the Tories.

AJS-

15,366 posts

235 months

Monday 17th March 2014
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Yeah, centrally planned grand projects always work really well.

greygoose

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194 months

Monday 17th March 2014
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Mr_B said:
I live 2 mins from Bluewater, can't say I'm thrilled to hear this, even though they started years ago with doing something on this site, simply because of the fact that one tiny incident at the Dartford Tunnel and the whole area is knackerd for miles around. The crap single lane design getting out and into Bluewater from the A2 is a joke. Hope they do something with the roads or build another Thames crossing.
They need to build the new Dartford Crossing before they build a new city there, the road network in the area is inadequate for the current traffic when things go wrong.

McWigglebum4th

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203 months

Monday 17th March 2014
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greygoose said:
They need to build the new Dartford Crossing before they build a new city there, the road network in the area is inadequate for the current traffic when things go wrong.
You think they will be allowed cars?

rofl

Not in daves new world

greygoose

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Monday 17th March 2014
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McWigglebum4th said:
greygoose said:
They need to build the new Dartford Crossing before they build a new city there, the road network in the area is inadequate for the current traffic when things go wrong.
You think they will be allowed cars?

rofl

Not in daves new world
Electric cars are ok aren't they wink ?

powerstroke

10,283 posts

159 months

Monday 17th March 2014
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Oh stop moaning the migrants That are singlehandly pulling
us out of ressesion and selflessly building up our
Economy while saving our kids and doleies from the perrils
Of gainful employment need somewhere to livewhistle

McWigglebum4th

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Monday 17th March 2014
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greygoose said:
McWigglebum4th said:
greygoose said:
They need to build the new Dartford Crossing before they build a new city there, the road network in the area is inadequate for the current traffic when things go wrong.
You think they will be allowed cars?

rofl

Not in daves new world
Electric cars are ok aren't they wink ?
Nope

They will build an eco town that is public transport and push bikes only


109er

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129 months

Monday 17th March 2014
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Re Ebbsfleet, the report says the following 'A garden city with an initial 15,000 homes will be built at Ebbsfleet in Kent'.

AN initial 15000, there could be more eek

Hypothetical but possible scenario, 15000 houses with say, 50% owning 2 cars = 22500. Assuming they all
have jobs to go to and need the car:
60 cars per minute (1 per second) can get out, that = 3600 per hour = 6 hrs 15 minutes to get 22500 out.

Even if only 60% worked and needed their car it would still take 3hrs 45 minutes. Varying start times for the
jobs does not even alter this figure (6.00 am to 9.00 am start times, still takes 3hrs 45 minutes).

As for public transport/bikes, how many buses and or bikes to get 60% out, that's 13500 people.

By the way, for those that live in the area, I was one of the drivers on the first 'Fastrack' buses and due to the
'normal' traffic now, they find it difficult to stay on time. More buses in the area will not be feasible as the area
near Bluewater is almost overloaded with buses now. Add some more, and boy would you have problems. As
for bicycles yikes just imagine say, 2000 extra potential targets on the road whistle

Roger

Edited by 109er on Monday 17th March 09:52

greygoose

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194 months

Monday 17th March 2014
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Think your maths is a bit off there, 15000 houses with 50% having 2 cars and the rest having one is 22500.

Johnnytheboy

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185 months

Monday 17th March 2014
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Garden city my arse. It'll be lots of generic boxy houses squeezed far too tightly together, as per usual these days.

Fartomatic5000

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154 months

Monday 17th March 2014
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greygoose said:
Think your maths is a bit off there, 15000 houses with 50% having 2 cars and the rest having one is 22500.
True, but I think there will still be a traffic issue, we've seen it before with Kings Hill in Kent. Build houses first and worry about traffic later. Only after years of traffic jam misery does the area get the roads it needs.

McWigglebum4th

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Fartomatic5000 said:
greygoose said:
Think your maths is a bit off there, 15000 houses with 50% having 2 cars and the rest having one is 22500.
True, but I think there will still be a traffic issue, we've seen it before with Kings Hill in Kent. Build houses first and worry about traffic later. Only after years of traffic jam misery does the area get the roads it needs.
<crystall ball mode>

They will build an ECO city with bugger all parking and bike lanes and sustainable housing

They will end up with cars covering all the pavements

The houses will turn out to be crap and made of carboard with no heating

A few brave souls will buy them

The rest will end up as dolite accomdation

20 years from now it will be considered a massive mistake

30 years from now and it will be a war zone with zombie chavs and honey badgers the only things living there

skyrover

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203 months

Monday 17th March 2014
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McWigglebum4th said:
<crystall ball mode>

They will build an ECO city with bugger all parking and bike lanes and sustainable housing

They will end up with cars covering all the pavements

The houses will turn out to be crap and made of carboard with no heating

A few brave souls will buy them

The rest will end up as dolite accomdation

20 years from now it will be considered a massive mistake

30 years from now and it will be a war zone with zombie chavs and honey badgers the only things living there
Pretty much this...

109er

Original Poster:

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Monday 17th March 2014
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greygoose said:
Think your maths is a bit off there, 15000 houses with 50% having 2 cars and the rest having one is 22500.
nuts My typo but, it still = 3hrs 45 minutes to get them out.

As to 'tight packed little boxes' this one is just down the road from there towards Gravesend.

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Gravesend&ll=...

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Gravesend&ll=...

Where the London Road runs parallel to Waterside, follow the run of trees to the left then down till its just pass
Capston Mews to Rosherville Way. That lot is built in an old chalk pit. How would you like your house to have a
small 'garden' and a 45-50ft cliff face facing the back or, in some cases the front of your house. Zoom I and see what
I mean eek

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Gravesend&ll=...

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Gravesend&ll=...

Roger

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

185 months

Monday 17th March 2014
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Actually, the fact that the current government have said that they will do this almost certainly means that they won't.

TheD

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198 months

Monday 17th March 2014
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I had a wee read of Howards vision of a Garden City. http://www.tcpa.org.uk/pages/garden-cities.html and there is no way it will even come close.

Justin Cyder

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148 months

Monday 17th March 2014
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Johnnytheboy said:
Garden city my arse. It'll be lots of generic boxy houses squeezed far too tightly together, as per usual these days.
Not spent much time in WGC or Letchworth then? hehe