New 'Garden City' at Ebbsfleet
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They must be joking surely
Bluewater next door does NOT have any basements due to the local water table being only
4' below the surface (I was there when it was being built) and they have water pumps running
24 - 7 to keep it at that level.
This map shows where they intend to build these 15,000 + houses. The brown bit is all dirt/earth
infill and the water/lakes you can see are natural and not much lower than the surrounding area.
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Ebbsfleet&ll=...
Ebbsfleet International is just up and to the right so not that far away at all.
Should be interesting if they go ahead and we get another wet winter like this last one.
Bluewater next door does NOT have any basements due to the local water table being only
4' below the surface (I was there when it was being built) and they have water pumps running
24 - 7 to keep it at that level.
This map shows where they intend to build these 15,000 + houses. The brown bit is all dirt/earth
infill and the water/lakes you can see are natural and not much lower than the surrounding area.
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Ebbsfleet&ll=...
Ebbsfleet International is just up and to the right so not that far away at all.
Should be interesting if they go ahead and we get another wet winter like this last one.
I live 2 mins from Bluewater, can't say I'm thrilled to hear this, even though they started years ago with doing something on this site, simply because of the fact that one tiny incident at the Dartford Tunnel and the whole area is knackerd for miles around. The crap single lane design getting out and into Bluewater from the A2 is a joke. Hope they do something with the roads or build another Thames crossing.
Mr_B said:
I live 2 mins from Bluewater, can't say I'm thrilled to hear this, even though they started years ago with doing something on this site, simply because of the fact that one tiny incident at the Dartford Tunnel and the whole area is knackerd for miles around. The crap single lane design getting out and into Bluewater from the A2 is a joke. Hope they do something with the roads or build another Thames crossing.
They need to build the new Dartford Crossing before they build a new city there, the road network in the area is inadequate for the current traffic when things go wrong.McWigglebum4th said:
greygoose said:
They need to build the new Dartford Crossing before they build a new city there, the road network in the area is inadequate for the current traffic when things go wrong.
You think they will be allowed cars?Not in daves new world
greygoose said:
McWigglebum4th said:
greygoose said:
They need to build the new Dartford Crossing before they build a new city there, the road network in the area is inadequate for the current traffic when things go wrong.
You think they will be allowed cars?Not in daves new world
They will build an eco town that is public transport and push bikes only
Re Ebbsfleet, the report says the following 'A garden city with an initial 15,000 homes will be built at Ebbsfleet in Kent'.
AN initial 15000, there could be more
Hypothetical but possible scenario, 15000 houses with say, 50% owning 2 cars = 22500. Assuming they all
have jobs to go to and need the car:
60 cars per minute (1 per second) can get out, that = 3600 per hour = 6 hrs 15 minutes to get 22500 out.
Even if only 60% worked and needed their car it would still take 3hrs 45 minutes. Varying start times for the
jobs does not even alter this figure (6.00 am to 9.00 am start times, still takes 3hrs 45 minutes).
As for public transport/bikes, how many buses and or bikes to get 60% out, that's 13500 people.
By the way, for those that live in the area, I was one of the drivers on the first 'Fastrack' buses and due to the
'normal' traffic now, they find it difficult to stay on time. More buses in the area will not be feasible as the area
near Bluewater is almost overloaded with buses now. Add some more, and boy would you have problems. As
for bicycles just imagine say, 2000 extra potential targets on the road
Roger
AN initial 15000, there could be more
Hypothetical but possible scenario, 15000 houses with say, 50% owning 2 cars = 22500. Assuming they all
have jobs to go to and need the car:
60 cars per minute (1 per second) can get out, that = 3600 per hour = 6 hrs 15 minutes to get 22500 out.
Even if only 60% worked and needed their car it would still take 3hrs 45 minutes. Varying start times for the
jobs does not even alter this figure (6.00 am to 9.00 am start times, still takes 3hrs 45 minutes).
As for public transport/bikes, how many buses and or bikes to get 60% out, that's 13500 people.
By the way, for those that live in the area, I was one of the drivers on the first 'Fastrack' buses and due to the
'normal' traffic now, they find it difficult to stay on time. More buses in the area will not be feasible as the area
near Bluewater is almost overloaded with buses now. Add some more, and boy would you have problems. As
for bicycles just imagine say, 2000 extra potential targets on the road
Roger
Edited by 109er on Monday 17th March 09:52
greygoose said:
Think your maths is a bit off there, 15000 houses with 50% having 2 cars and the rest having one is 22500.
True, but I think there will still be a traffic issue, we've seen it before with Kings Hill in Kent. Build houses first and worry about traffic later. Only after years of traffic jam misery does the area get the roads it needs. Fartomatic5000 said:
greygoose said:
Think your maths is a bit off there, 15000 houses with 50% having 2 cars and the rest having one is 22500.
True, but I think there will still be a traffic issue, we've seen it before with Kings Hill in Kent. Build houses first and worry about traffic later. Only after years of traffic jam misery does the area get the roads it needs. They will build an ECO city with bugger all parking and bike lanes and sustainable housing
They will end up with cars covering all the pavements
The houses will turn out to be crap and made of carboard with no heating
A few brave souls will buy them
The rest will end up as dolite accomdation
20 years from now it will be considered a massive mistake
30 years from now and it will be a war zone with zombie chavs and honey badgers the only things living there
McWigglebum4th said:
<crystall ball mode>
They will build an ECO city with bugger all parking and bike lanes and sustainable housing
They will end up with cars covering all the pavements
The houses will turn out to be crap and made of carboard with no heating
A few brave souls will buy them
The rest will end up as dolite accomdation
20 years from now it will be considered a massive mistake
30 years from now and it will be a war zone with zombie chavs and honey badgers the only things living there
Pretty much this...They will build an ECO city with bugger all parking and bike lanes and sustainable housing
They will end up with cars covering all the pavements
The houses will turn out to be crap and made of carboard with no heating
A few brave souls will buy them
The rest will end up as dolite accomdation
20 years from now it will be considered a massive mistake
30 years from now and it will be a war zone with zombie chavs and honey badgers the only things living there
greygoose said:
Think your maths is a bit off there, 15000 houses with 50% having 2 cars and the rest having one is 22500.
My typo but, it still = 3hrs 45 minutes to get them out.As to 'tight packed little boxes' this one is just down the road from there towards Gravesend.
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Gravesend&ll=...
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Gravesend&ll=...
Where the London Road runs parallel to Waterside, follow the run of trees to the left then down till its just pass
Capston Mews to Rosherville Way. That lot is built in an old chalk pit. How would you like your house to have a
small 'garden' and a 45-50ft cliff face facing the back or, in some cases the front of your house. Zoom I and see what
I mean
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Gravesend&ll=...
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Gravesend&ll=...
Roger
I had a wee read of Howards vision of a Garden City. http://www.tcpa.org.uk/pages/garden-cities.html and there is no way it will even come close.
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