New 'Garden City' at Ebbsfleet

[anonymous-user]

johnfm said:

fk me you guys are miserable.

WhingeingHeads: Moaning Matters

No matter what any government or developer suggest, you moaners will complain ,

It is 15,000 homes new homes That's got to be better than 0 new homes in the south east.

Or it's people who live and work in the area and have seen successive developments occur with no thought to the impact on the local infrastructure and the chaos that has ensued

[skyrover]

johnfm said:

fk me you guys are miserable.

WhingeingHeads: Moaning Matters

No matter what any government or developer suggest, you moaners will complain ,

It is 15,000 homes new homes That's got to be better than 0 new homes in the south east.

Taxpayer money that could have been better spent elsewhere (or not spent at all)

[109er]

anonymous said:

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As posted earlier:
I think not, 3 bed detached £300,000 (Local estate agent)
To be built, 3 bed POA
Only time will tell.

I don't think it will help the local housing shortage, as I don't suspect many are earning enough
to get a mortgage for that much.

May I sugest that you go and look at the area concerned. The only roads in and out are very
narrow, and don't say 'widen them' because to do so you would need to demolish houses that
are already there.

[Foppo]

johnfm said:

fk me you guys are miserable.

WhingeingHeads: Moaning Matters

No matter what any government or developer suggest, you moaners will complain ,

It is 15,000 homes new homes That's got to be better than 0 new homes in the south east.

You have a point John.That is why it takes forever to have anything done in the U.K.
Planning permission is a nightmare.Ok don't build on floodplanes.Or build 15,000 tents people can move about like nomads.>

[Mr_B]

johnfm said:

fk me you guys are miserable.

WhingeingHeads: Moaning Matters

No matter what any government or developer suggest, you moaners will complain ,

It is 15,000 homes new homes That's got to be better than 0 new homes in the south east.

I'm not against new developments and no nimby, but it looks like they will do nothing in the area that's already a nightmare as soon as one single car breaks down near the Dartford Tunnel and the development will be another multitude of flats and houses with garages that you would struggle to get an Austin 7 in and no park. All the other local developments are the same and priced stupidly.
Any big developments in the area should go hand in hand with a new Thames crossing.

[The Don of Croy]

anonymous said:

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I think that's called an 'increase in Dartford Tolls' at the DoT. You heard it here first.

[Fats25]

Fartomatic5000 said:

True, but I think there will still be a traffic issue, we've seen it before with Kings Hill in Kent. Build houses first and worry about traffic later. Only after years of traffic jam misery does the area get the roads it needs.

dxg said:

The core principle of the four proposed ecotowns (of which this is not one) is that employment is available locally, within the town. This negates the need for such large transportation infrastructure - in theory.

I live in Kings Hill and the traffic does not impact me. But that is only because I work from home or am commuting on a motorbike and leave before the office workers come in, and the Kings Hill folks get out to work. However I tried to get out (towards Tunbridge Wells) in the car leaving at 09:30 the other morning. It was 10:15 as I went past Paddock Wood. I could not believe how bad it was!

They are building more houses here too, but nothing happening for the infrastructure to get to and from Kings Hill.

The model is floored. If you work in Kings Hill you are either a Mum working part time, or full time and do not want to commute to London. The issue is that those people working in Kings Hill cannot afford to live here. Those that can afford to live here need to work in London.

So you have the traffic leaving and joining Kings Hill at the same time. Ebbsfleet will be a disaster - at least they have a decent train line!

Edited by Fats25 on Thursday 20th March 12:25

[MaximumJed]

Fats25 said:

Ebbsfleet will be a disaster - at least they have a decent train line!

It might be a decent line, but AFAIK it's already standing room only at rush hour(s)

[Fats25]

MaximumJed said:

Fats25 said:

Ebbsfleet will be a disaster - at least they have a decent train line!

It might be a decent line, but AFAIK it's already standing room only at rush hour(s)

That's ok. Is only for 20 mins. I would rather stand for 20 mins, than sit crushed for an hour!

[AV12]

MaximumJed said:

Fats25 said:

Ebbsfleet will be a disaster - at least they have a decent train line!

It might be a decent line, but AFAIK it's already standing room only at rush hour(s)

Gravesend does that. No seats after. Standing at 130mph isn't fun.

IT's a bad idea without the infrastructure. Either plan as best you can and build development plans around that, not the other way round. It's vote winning talk.

Remember there's talk of opening a theme park in that area too:

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent_business/news/joi...

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramount_London

Disaster if they don't plan.

Edited by AV12 on Thursday 20th March 13:26