Freedom from TV license oppression
Discussion
onomatopoeia said:
0a said:
It is the principle. Why should owning a piece of TV equipment mean you have to pay for a particular broadcaster?
It doesn't in the UK. You appear to be misinformed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8zQS38S82U
Cotty said:
So look at 7:45 onward
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8zQS38S82U
Can you summarise? I don't have the throughput on this device to stream video, so a youtube link doesn't help much.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8zQS38S82U
DonkeyApple said:
The TV License will be dead within a few years as will conventional TV as we know it.
The license is so that you can legally receive live broadcasts. The arrival of On Demand has begun the demise of live streaming media.
However, I look at Freeview and there is nothing of any intellectual value outside of the BBC. For me the core benefit of the BBC is two fold. Firstly a program that it makes does not have to be profitable so the BBC airs programs that commercial TV will never commission or broadcast. Secondly, the content of commercial TV has to be defined by what products can be sold during the breaks. The products with the best take up are the ones that appeal to the more stupid or simple people and so the programmes that are broadcast are tailored to suit. Hence the plethora of When Sharks Attack, Petre Andre Gets Paid a Monthly Retainer To Pretend He Is Wealthy, Saturday Night w
k Factor and the remaining vast array of vegetable manure.
There's very little output from the BBC that has any intellectual merit. BBC4 isn't all bad. That station costs about 10p to run. Thankfully BBC3 is no more.The license is so that you can legally receive live broadcasts. The arrival of On Demand has begun the demise of live streaming media.
However, I look at Freeview and there is nothing of any intellectual value outside of the BBC. For me the core benefit of the BBC is two fold. Firstly a program that it makes does not have to be profitable so the BBC airs programs that commercial TV will never commission or broadcast. Secondly, the content of commercial TV has to be defined by what products can be sold during the breaks. The products with the best take up are the ones that appeal to the more stupid or simple people and so the programmes that are broadcast are tailored to suit. Hence the plethora of When Sharks Attack, Petre Andre Gets Paid a Monthly Retainer To Pretend He Is Wealthy, Saturday Night w
k Factor and the remaining vast array of vegetable manure. Then you look at YouTube. I've spent the last week watching Vihart's videos. Stunning, enlightening, enriching videos made by an incredibly talented young person from her home with a budget of zero.
I won't miss the old media one bit when it's finally gone.
Cotty said:
onomatopoeia said:
0a said:
It is the principle. Why should owning a piece of TV equipment mean you have to pay for a particular broadcaster?
It doesn't in the UK. You appear to be misinformed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8zQS38S82U
This video should be an advert for everyone to cancel their TV licence and not give any money to horrible little
s like these.The FMOTL bks doesn't help things. It's legally baseless and will get people into all kinds of trouble. Spouting pseudo-legalistic guff won't help your cause one iota.
I'm legally licence-free, have been for a couple of years now. I do not watch or record live broadcasts, simple as that. I've just started receiving the letters again, I'm expecting them on a monthly basis.
The basic rules are that if a TVL EO knocks on your door, record the encounter on your phone but tell them nothing. You're not obliged to identify yourself to them or converse with them. They have no right to enter your home at all.
If they - somehow - manage to convince a magistrate to grant them a warrant then you MUST let them in as it's a Court Order. Refusal could result in prosecution for obstruction. In order for a warrant to be issued, the court must be convinced that there is evidence of wrong-doing - how on earth TVL would hope to find such evidence is unknown, as it doesn't exist in my case. They seem to believe that 'not having one' is proof you're breaking the law, the concept that some of us have no desire or requirement to watch live TV is alien to them.
I would not let them in my home unless a court tells me to - and then I'd want to ensure that TVL were prosecuted for fabricating evidence and outright lying in order to have a warrant issued.
ks doesn't help things. It's legally baseless and will get people into all kinds of trouble. Spouting pseudo-legalistic guff won't help your cause one iota.I'm legally licence-free, have been for a couple of years now. I do not watch or record live broadcasts, simple as that. I've just started receiving the letters again, I'm expecting them on a monthly basis.
The basic rules are that if a TVL EO knocks on your door, record the encounter on your phone but tell them nothing. You're not obliged to identify yourself to them or converse with them. They have no right to enter your home at all.
If they - somehow - manage to convince a magistrate to grant them a warrant then you MUST let them in as it's a Court Order. Refusal could result in prosecution for obstruction. In order for a warrant to be issued, the court must be convinced that there is evidence of wrong-doing - how on earth TVL would hope to find such evidence is unknown, as it doesn't exist in my case. They seem to believe that 'not having one' is proof you're breaking the law, the concept that some of us have no desire or requirement to watch live TV is alien to them.
I would not let them in my home unless a court tells me to - and then I'd want to ensure that TVL were prosecuted for fabricating evidence and outright lying in order to have a warrant issued.
Funk said:
I've just started receiving the letters again, I'm expecting them on a monthly basis.
Do the declaration and they'll stop for at least a year. A visit might be scheduled though, but it may be anyway.https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/no-licence-needed/
trashbat said:
o the declaration and they'll stop for at least a year. A visit might be scheduled though, but it may be anyway.
https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/no-licence-needed/
Why should you have to inform them of anything? Last time I checked using a TV was a service that is opted into not out of?https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/no-licence-needed/
trashbat said:
Funk said:
I've just started receiving the letters again, I'm expecting them on a monthly basis.
Do the declaration and they'll stop for at least a year. A visit might be scheduled though, but it may be anyway.https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/no-licence-needed/
lbc said:
BBC should be a subscription service, just like most other services.
I should not have to pay for a TV Licence if I don't watch BBC.
Except the obvious fact that the TV License isn't there to allow you to watch the BBC. I should not have to pay for a TV Licence if I don't watch BBC.
It's a license to receive and watch live broadcast of any channel.
The whole situation stinks.
If you went to B+Q and bought an electric drill would you expect them to keep coming to your house to see if you were using it in accordance with the manufacturers reccomendations?
I can think of no other company that has a hogtied "customer" base.
If the bbc wants to maximise its revenues then it should encrypt its content and make people pay to see it, just like any other company does.
I dont see why they should be allowed to benefit from a law that allows them to parasitically suck off of people who dont want to see their sh*t and then constantly harass them for having the temerity, the absolute cheek to say " Dont watch it, dont want it".
Theres a few videos doing the rounds but one made the very good point that if drug dealers came to your house and wouldnt take no for an answer then youd go to the police and report them for harrassment.
I dont see as the bbc is any different, theyre selling a drug of sorts and keep going back to try and hook people on their product.
Its about time the bbc was broken up and forced ( they like using force) to make its own bloody way in life, but they know full well how long theyd last, about 5 minutes.
Knock them on the head, the biased broadcasting company is way past their sell by date.
If you went to B+Q and bought an electric drill would you expect them to keep coming to your house to see if you were using it in accordance with the manufacturers reccomendations?
I can think of no other company that has a hogtied "customer" base.
If the bbc wants to maximise its revenues then it should encrypt its content and make people pay to see it, just like any other company does.
I dont see why they should be allowed to benefit from a law that allows them to parasitically suck off of people who dont want to see their sh*t and then constantly harass them for having the temerity, the absolute cheek to say " Dont watch it, dont want it".
Theres a few videos doing the rounds but one made the very good point that if drug dealers came to your house and wouldnt take no for an answer then youd go to the police and report them for harrassment.
I dont see as the bbc is any different, theyre selling a drug of sorts and keep going back to try and hook people on their product.
Its about time the bbc was broken up and forced ( they like using force) to make its own bloody way in life, but they know full well how long theyd last, about 5 minutes.
Knock them on the head, the biased broadcasting company is way past their sell by date.
egomeister said:
Why should you have to inform them of anything? Last time I checked using a TV was a service that is opted into not out of?
Einion Yrth said:
Or do absolutely nothing and if some snotty little mouth breather comes round tell him to foxtrot romeo oscar.
Meh. If you want a load of letters just for the sake of it, don't bother.4v6 said:
The whole situation stinks.
If you went to B+Q and bought an electric drill would you expect them to keep coming to your house to see if you were using it in accordance with the manufacturers reccomendations?
I can think of no other company that has a hogtied "customer" base..
What is the link between the BBC and the TV License?If you went to B+Q and bought an electric drill would you expect them to keep coming to your house to see if you were using it in accordance with the manufacturers reccomendations?
I can think of no other company that has a hogtied "customer" base..
trashbat said:
eh. If you want a load of letters just for the sake of it, don't bother.
That's exactly what I do.TV licencing do have a curious way of marketing their services though. When sky or BT are trying to sell me something they write nice letters telling me all about the benefits of their products and their latest special deals. TV licencing threaten will court action, enforcement officers and fines!
onomatopoeia said:
Cotty said:
So look at 7:45 onward
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8zQS38S82U
Can you summarise? I don't have the throughput on this device to stream video, so a youtube link doesn't help much.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8zQS38S82U
Crapita employ the police to assist them with a search warrant of a family home who's owner does not require a TV licence.
Police force the owner to let the crapita goons in to his house in order they can conduct a search.
Home owner demonstrates that he does not watch 'TV as it is broadcasted' and shows the goons and the police that there are no aerials plugged in to TV and that the TV is connected only by HDMI leads in to laptop and hard drive.
The crapita goons claim the law only requires the "ability to watch live TV" and continue to harass the home owner.
The police are totally unaware of the law and side with the crapita goons.
End result is that a totally innocent man is forced to go to court to fight crapita and the police claim that he was watching live TV, when clearly he was not.
Pfft - The Conservatives would rather the BBC didn't exist, it represents one of the few mainstream media outlets in the UK that doesn't wholly support them and it directly hurts the pockets of some of their largest party contributors by offering advertisement free TV. Radio and Internet media.
Given long enough they will weaken the BBC from within until we beg for them to privatise it, the bits that can make money will be carved up between their friends and bits that can't will be dropped.
I see the same thing happening to the NHS.
Given long enough they will weaken the BBC from within until we beg for them to privatise it, the bits that can make money will be carved up between their friends and bits that can't will be dropped.
I see the same thing happening to the NHS.
DonkeyApple said:
Funded by part of it, yes.
But what else?
This is from the BBC website under the heading of what the TV tax pays for. But what else?
"television channels, radio stations and online spaces where audiences can find it – is paid for by the licence fee, allowing BBC's UK services to remain free of advertisements and independent of shareholder and political interest."
This one phrase shows how far they are up themselves , free of political interest? Taking the piss, they do not even try to cover up their leftist bias these days,and when pushed enough go so far as to admit it themselves , the bung they get from the EU ensures they also are in a land beyond criticism when it comes to BBC reporting.
Edited by Cheese Mechanic on Wednesday 19th March 10:25
Cheese Mechanic said:
DonkeyApple said:
Funded by part of it, yes.
But what else?
This is from the BBC website under the heading of what the TV tax pays for. But what else?
"television channels, radio stations and online spaces where audiences can find it – is paid for by the licence fee, allowing BBC's UK services to remain free of advertisements and independent of shareholder and political interest."
This one phrase shows how far they are up themselves , free of political interest? Taking the piss, they do not even try to cover up their leftist bias these days,and when pushed enough go so far as to admit it themselves , the bung they get from the EU ensures they also are in a land beyond criticism when it comes to BBC reporting.
Edited by Cheese Mechanic on Wednesday 19th March 10:25
People seem to be ranting about the license fee when in fact they want to rant about the left wing bias of the BBC.
Very few people actually bother to read what the TV license is.
Let's say the BBC isn't funded by the license fee, let's say it is funded put of general taxation. So essentially the same as say VED, it's just a tax to do something. In the case of VED it is a tax to use certain vehicles on the roads but the roads are maintained and managed out of the collective purse. What is then the specific problem with paying a very modest fee to have live TV streamed into our homes?
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