Freedom from TV license oppression

Freedom from TV license oppression

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longblackcoat

5,047 posts

182 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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turbobloke said:
longblackcoat said:
Thanks. Not quite sure why you call my question "diversionary"; your post just seemed to be a list of names from the past.
hehe

"who guv not me guv"

smile
Genuinely no idea what you're on about, but so long as you're happy, who am I to argue?

McWigglebum4th

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32,414 posts

203 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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I think the future of the UK will be best served by killing ANYONE who has a TV license as they are evidently raving lefties

As who else would choose to pay for the BBC as it is so terrible

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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Back on topic McW4, nice work.

However the point remains that while it's possible not to pay the licence fee the whole context is totalitarian in that a lot of the money from those who are either stupid, or raving lefties (as you put it, and not forgetting the overlap) goes to the BBC whether those paying want it to or not and whether they watch and listen to tbe BBC's biased output or not.

Those who want to watch the BBC's propaganda should pay what it takes, with nobody else paying a penny. If it's not so important that they'd pay what it takes, the BBC can do what other outfits do when they can't attract willing sources of funds i.e. without being propped up artificially - shrink or disappear.

NicD

3,281 posts

256 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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turbobloke said:
Back on topic McW4, nice work.

However the point remains that while it's possible not to pay the licence fee the whole context is totalitarian in that a lot of the money from those who are either stupid or lefty (as you put it, and not forgetting the overlap) goes to the BBC whether those paying want it to or not and whether they watch and listen to tbe BBC's biased output or not.

Those who want to watch the BBC's propaganda should pay what it takes, with nobody else paying a penny. If it's not so important that they'd pay what it takes, the BBC can do what other outfits do when they can't attract willing sources of funds i.e. without being propped up artificially - shrink or disappear.
+1
How can they possibly think of taxing us for the BBC?

McWigglebum4th

Original Poster:

32,414 posts

203 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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turbobloke said:
Back on topic McW4, nice work.

However the point remains that while it's possible not to pay the licence fee the whole context is totalitarian in that a lot of the money from those who are either stupid, or raving lefties (as you put it, and not forgetting the overlap) goes to the BBC whether those paying want it to or not and whether they watch and listen to tbe BBC's biased output or not.

Those who want to watch the BBC's propaganda should pay what it takes, with nobody else paying a penny. If it's not so important that they'd pay what it takes, the BBC can do what other outfits do when they can't attract willing sources of funds i.e. without being propped up artificially - shrink or disappear.
Do you pay your license fee?

As you are so outraged by it then i would be very disappointed if you did

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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NicD said:
+1
How can they possibly think of taxing us for the BBC?
Having just re-read the tortured language that officialdumb uses to try and convince people that although the BBC gets licence fee money, the licence fee doesn't pay for the BBC, and with a gibbous moon in a blue sky, it's time to forget about the self-confessed left-liberal bias at the BBC and the propaganda it emits on a daily basis via appropriation of funds.....in favour of the antidote that works every time: taking a V8 along the Fosse Way.

In case anyone missed it - the tortured language not the Fosse Way - it's good English and makes its point, it's undoubtedly OK legally, but any independent-minded person reading it couldn't fail to think 'pure bill hooks'.

Officialdumb said:
The licence fee is not a payment for BBC services...although licence fee revenue is used to fund the BBC.
silly

Followed by

Officialdumb said:
Section 365 of the Communications Act 2003 requires that a person to whom a TV Licence is issued must pay a fee to the BBC.
jester


turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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McWigglebum4th said:
turbobloke said:
Back on topic McW4, nice work.

However the point remains that while it's possible not to pay the licence fee the whole context is totalitarian in that a lot of the money from those who are either stupid, or raving lefties (as you put it, and not forgetting the overlap) goes to the BBC whether those paying want it to or not and whether they watch and listen to tbe BBC's biased output or not.

Those who want to watch the BBC's propaganda should pay what it takes, with nobody else paying a penny. If it's not so important that they'd pay what it takes, the BBC can do what other outfits do when they can't attract willing sources of funds i.e. without being propped up artificially - shrink or disappear.
Do you pay your license fee?

As you are so outraged by it then i would be very disappointed if you did
As you appear to be a person who doesn't pay for a TV licence I would be interested to know how you watch live broadcasts from other providers, and hope to see what route you take when I get back. And as you will appreciate, the issue is not paying money, it's the basis on which it falls due and then where the money goes.

ETA I've answered that question before - I want the facility to watch live broadcasts, and do so, but without paying any money to the BBC.

Edited by turbobloke on Monday 2nd March 19:06

chris watton

22,477 posts

259 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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McWigglebum4th said:
I think the future of the UK will be best served by killing ANYONE who has a TV license as they are evidently raving lefties

As who else would choose to pay for the BBC as it is so terrible
Well, The Walking Dead is on Fox tonight - if I want to watch that as it airs, then I must pay the BBC licence fee. I pay Sky out of choice - if at any point I deem it bad value, I cancel my subscription. I still have pay the BBC fee, even though I don't use the service.

Don't get me wrong, I understand why I pay taxes and NI, and quite right too. But given the choice, I would be one of the first to stop paying the licence fee if I were legally able to do so. As I have said, if you are in the public sector, a union member and/or of the left persuasion, I fully get why you may lap up the content. Personally, I find it as intolerable as any of the worst right-leaning sites and papers - two sides of the same arse cheek, AFAIAC.

ETA - To be clear, I despise blatant bias no matter what the creed, both left and right.


Edited by chris watton on Monday 2nd March 19:10

McWigglebum4th

Original Poster:

32,414 posts

203 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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turbobloke said:
As you appear to be a person who doesn't pay for a TV licence I would be interested to know how you watch live broadcasts from other providers, and hope to see what route you take when I get back. And as you will appreciate, the issue is not paying money, it's the basis on which it falls due and then where the money goes.

ETA I've answered that question before - I want the facility to watch live broadcasts, and do so, but without paying any money to the BBC.

Edited by turbobloke on Monday 2nd March 19:06
Why do i pay

1 The wife loves to watch total st on the commercial channels

2 I believe BBC 4 plus the radio offerings are worth it

3 I don't scream about how i am being oppressed by the evil BBC



If you actually gave a st you would stop paying. I would stop paying tomorrow if it wasn't for the wife.

NicD

3,281 posts

256 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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That is the point, we opponents of the licence/tax want YOU to pay, if that is your wish.
I could care less why though.

I have just read this quote, total effing lunacy:

'The alternative, a subscription system advocated by the select committee, is opposed by Lord Hall as ‘poor value’.
He will warn that it could fatally diminish the BBC’s ability to compete on digital platforms with other providers such as Netflix, Google and Apple.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2975125/Li...

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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McWigglebum4th said:
I would stop paying tomorrow if it wasn't for the wife.
I see...it's all wifey's fault...nobody else has a wife, and nobody wants to watch live broadcasts lawfully. Got it. It really is so simple!

Watching leftist propaganda still won't happen. Bring on the day when not paying a 'fee' for not watching it - with the facility to see other live broadcasts - is within the law.

Cotty

39,389 posts

283 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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NicD said:
I could care less why though.
Please don't use that Americanism. If you could care less then please do care less until you couldn't care less.

Cotty

39,389 posts

283 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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McWigglebum4th said:
If you actually gave a st you would stop paying. I would stop paying tomorrow if it wasn't for the wife.
I would but cant be assed with the threatening letters and the threats of home invasion.

NoNeed

15,137 posts

199 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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I don't mind paying for the BBC trust as they look after and manage the airwaves, I don't like paying for the channels I don't watch though especially them Scottish and welsh ones that seem totally pointless as the Scots and the Welsh can talk the same language as us, well sort of.

McWigglebum4th

Original Poster:

32,414 posts

203 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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turbobloke said:
McWigglebum4th said:
I would stop paying tomorrow if it wasn't for the wife.
I see...it's all wifey's fault...nobody else has a wife, and nobody wants to watch live broadcasts lawfully. Got it. It really is so simple!

Watching leftist propaganda still won't happen. Bring on the day when not paying a 'fee' for not watching it - with the facility to see other live broadcasts - is within the law.
So why do you pay?

Surely if you are this bothered you would either flout the law or find away to watch life streams without the BBC

Or you could take a principled stand and stop watching live telly.

NicD

3,281 posts

256 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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Cotty said:
NicD said:
I could care less why though.
Please don't use that Americanism. If you could care less then please do care less until you couldn't care less.
I rather like it. Language evolves.
The phrase makes no sense, but that is part of the attraction.

Edited by NicD on Tuesday 3rd March 06:35

Cotty

39,389 posts

283 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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NicD said:
The phrase makes no sense,
You realise it makes no sense but continue to use it. I am surprised that some people still remember to breath in and out.

Funk

26,254 posts

208 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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Cotty said:
NicD said:
The phrase makes no sense,
You realise it makes no sense but continue to use it. I am surprised that some people still remember to breath in and out.
This is why PH needs an 'ignore' button.

Funk

26,254 posts

208 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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Great article here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11774...

Not just licence-bashing but offers constructive criticism and a vision of the way it could (and probably should) work.