UK politics if Scotland votes Yes

[Previous]

The only attempt Ive heard of from the Tories to keep Scotland in the union was G. Osbourne presenting something to a half full sports hall in London.

Wouldn't call that a desperate attempt to keep the Union.

For rUK the whole question seems largely irrelevant and the whole thing pretty much stays out the media.


Things may look different north of the border though.

[fluffnik]

ninja-lewis said:

Incidentally the SNP have six MSPs born in England.

...and one born in France.

[pcvdriver]

fluffnik said:

ninja-lewis said:

Incidentally the SNP have six MSPs born in England.

...and one born in France.

Oops!! How remiss of me to neglect to add that in my previous post, just adds to the credence of it mattering not one jot, the place of a particular individuals birth having to do anything to do with how well they perform as an elected member of parliament.

[simoid]

pcvdriver said:

fluffnik said:

ninja-lewis said:

Incidentally the SNP have six MSPs born in England.

...and one born in France.

Oops!! How remiss of me to neglect to add that in my previous post, just adds to the credence of it mattering not one jot, the place of a particular individuals birth having to do anything to do with how well they perform as an elected member of parliament.

The boy from France is, however, unelected.

And a bit of an eejit (IMHO).

[McWigglebum4th]

fluffnik said:

Trident is too dangerous to host in England.

Okay

list the ten ports in england which are more suited to submarines

Next please tell me where the warheads are assembled and maintained

I'll give you a clue

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_Weapons_Establ...

Just off the A340

https://goo.gl/maps/yLPkN

which as you can see is no where near london

[andymadmak]

fluffnik said:

The Union is a drain on Scotland and Trident is too dangerous to host in England.

It is pretty much that simple.

Endlessly repeating the same tired, old lies does not make them true. In fact it just makes you look like a moron.

You have been asked many many many times to provide a credible source for your claims, and you have so far been unable to do that. Either put up or shut up Fluff. At the very least, should you not be looking for a refund from the bogus reverend in Bath, aka Wings Over Scotland? ( your fave source)

[andymadmak]

pcvdriver said:

Scotland on the whole do not vote Tory enough for us to warrant having a Tory Government.

Following your logic reveals a flaw...... Between one in 5 and one in 6 Scottish voters regularly vote Conservative. In terms of Scottish votes at a general election they are actually broadly on a par with the SNP.......

[///ajd]

McWigglebum4th said:

fluffnik said:

Trident is too dangerous to host in England.

Okay

list the ten ports in england which are more suited to submarines

Next please tell me where the warheads are assembled and maintained

I'll give you a clue

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_Weapons_Establ...

Just off the A340

https://goo.gl/maps/yLPkN

which as you can see is no where near london

Whats more, the Vanguard boats are refitted - including Nuclear de/refuelling etc. - in Devonport, Plymouth, not Faslane.

Burghfield is where the warheads are assembled, just next to Aldermaston.

People who imply Trident is hosted in Scotland as some form of punishment by the nasty english trying to dump nasty stuff on the scots, are truely misguided. It seems they have fallen for the nationalist hate campaign by the SNP to smear the rUK and create divisions where none previously flourished. Selfish and racist! Hope you are proud of your cause.

[Edinburger]

andymadmak said:

Following your logic reveals a flaw...... Between one in 5 and one in 6 Scottish voters regularly vote Conservative. In terms of Scottish votes at a general election they are actually broadly on a par with the SNP.......

Theres a big misunderstanding that all Scots support Labour, and other left wing organisations.

[Johnnytheboy]

Edinburger said:

Theres a big misunderstanding that all Scots support Labour, and other left wing organisations.

So who do right wing Scots vote for?

[McWigglebum4th]

Edinburger said:

Theres a big misunderstanding that all Scots support Labour, and other left wing organisations.

No just the vast majority

Only a minority want communism

But they are very vocal

[fluffnik]

///ajd said:

Whats more, the Vanguard boats are refitted - including Nuclear de/refuelling etc. - in Devonport, Plymouth, not Faslane.

Burghfield is where the warheads are assembled, just next to Aldermaston.

So there will be no problem removing it from Scotland before Independence Day.

Excellent.

[Rick_1138]

fluffnik said:

So there will be no problem removing it from Scotland before Independence Day.

Excellent.

What, excellent that some 5k people will be jobless because Salmond wants his name in the history books. Unless I am missing a parrot, do fk off.

[McWigglebum4th]

fluffnik said:

///ajd said:

Whats more, the Vanguard boats are refitted - including Nuclear de/refuelling etc. - in Devonport, Plymouth, not Faslane.

Burghfield is where the warheads are assembled, just next to Aldermaston.

So there will be no problem removing it from Scotland before Independence Day.

Excellent.

Which kind of blows you "too dangerous to have in england" statement out of the water.

Yet again you have proven to be speaking bollcoks

The reason faslane was chosen is like many things.

Scotland is best in this particular case

[///ajd]

fluffnik said:

///ajd said:

Whats more, the Vanguard boats are refitted - including Nuclear de/refuelling etc. - in Devonport, Plymouth, not Faslane.

Burghfield is where the warheads are assembled, just next to Aldermaston.

So there will be no problem removing it from Scotland before Independence Day.

Excellent.

Its doable, would still cost billions. Billions - that as a rUK taxpayer - I'm only prepared to see Scotland spend, not a penny of rUK money, thanks for (not) asking. You want them gone, you pay.

There only needs to be one nuclear sub base, so everything would have to move south. Faslane, Coulport and all 8000+ jobs would go. You won't need Faslane as a base in the fantasy Scot Navy, as you be able to tie up what you can afford at Broomielaw Quay.

You can pay a deposit of £5Bn upfront on independence day to cover the moving costs over a 10 year period - well you can add it to your debt that as a BBB+ economy, we'll charge you international lending rate +2points. You can top up the loan as the costs inevitably spiral. Think of it as your entry cost to NATO by committing to not cock up a key strategic capability as a side effect of the short sighted racist selfish nationalist wet dream. Of course we have no problem lending to such 'best pals' that just only discriminate against us a bit. We won't mention it (much).

Excellent indeed! That all OK with you?

[PRTVR]

///ajd said:

fluffnik said:

///ajd said:

Whats more, the Vanguard boats are refitted - including Nuclear de/refuelling etc. - in Devonport, Plymouth, not Faslane.

Burghfield is where the warheads are assembled, just next to Aldermaston.

So there will be no problem removing it from Scotland before Independence Day.

Excellent.

Its doable, would still cost billions. Billions - that as a rUK taxpayer - I'm only prepared to see Scotland spend, not a penny of rUK money, thanks for (not) asking. You want them gone, you pay.

There only needs to be one nuclear sub base, so everything would have to move south. Faslane, Coulport and all 8000+ jobs would go. You won't need Faslane as a base in the fantasy Scot Navy, as you be able to tie up what you can afford at Broomielaw Quay.

You can pay a deposit of £5Bn upfront on independence day to cover the moving costs over a 10 year period - well you can add it to your debt that as a BBB+ economy, we'll charge you international lending rate +2points. You can top up the loan as the costs inevitably spiral. Think of it as your entry cost to NATO by committing to not cock up a key strategic capability as a side effect of the short sighted racist selfish nationalist wet dream. Of course we have no problem lending to such 'best pals' that just only discriminate against us a bit. We won't mention it (much).

Excellent indeed! That all OK with you?

You are being a bit unfair, you know how it works, the rest of the UK has to pay for everything, bend over and just take it, give them everything that they want and be happy about it.

[eldar]

fluffnik said:

So there will be no problem removing it from Scotland before Independence Day.

Excellent.

And the Scots start funding Dounreay decommissioning and residue storage. I'd vote for that.

[pcvdriver]

Johnnytheboy said:

So who do right wing Scots vote for?

Not UKIP it would appear, certainly going on the strength of evidence regarding deposit retention.

[Edinburger]

While interesting, isn't most of this thread off topic?

What's the impact to UK politics of Scotland votes Yes? So for starters: a significantly reduced voice at EU, NATO, etc. (bearing in mind the UK has lost a third of her land mass and 10% of her population).

Thoughts?

[Siscar]

Edinburger said:

While interesting, isn't most of this thread off topic?

What's the impact to UK politics of Scotland votes Yes? So for starters: a significantly reduced voice at EU, NATO, etc. (bearing in mind the UK has lost a third of her land mass and 10% of her population).

Thoughts?

I see it still matters to you that the UK suffers as a result. Just be reassured, it's OK, we'd be fine. Land mass is no great loss and less than 10% of population, do you really think we'd notice?