Clarkson: Racist

[McWigglebum4th]

Hope no one finds out about our cockrel

He is called Jimmy


As he is a wee bit rapey

[Rovinghawk]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

The fact that this programme turns a huge profit undermines your position somewhat.

[rohrl]

That apology doesn't make sense logically.

[Tiggsy]

Einion Yrth said:

AJS- said:

Something can be a slang term without being derogatory - Geordie, Cockney, Frog, Aussie, Yank etc etc.

Frog and Yank, and to some extent Cockney, certainly have just a smidgeon of the derogatory about them.

Indeed - it's pretty simple. Calling someone a name on TV, that you wouldnt to their face, when they are in shot but unable to hear...is cheap.

[rohrl]

Guam said:

rohrl said:

That apology doesn't make sense logically.

It wasnt a literal Apology, as
A: I didnt initiate the use of the term on the thread

And

B: I wasn't speaking literally when I used the word Sorry, but then you already knew that eh?

Not your apology Guam, the Top Gear "apology/explanation".

Sorry for confusion, I should have been clearer.

[irocfan]

Martin4x4 said:

Still trying to figure why "The Ukraine" is racist and "Ukraine" isn't.

Que???

[EskimoArapaho]

Rovinghawk said:

The fact that this programme turns a huge profit undermines your position somewhat.

It does, but please find me the bit of the BBC Charter that sets out this aim.

[Halb]

anonymous said:

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My Americans not from the North-East don't like it because to them, Yankees are from the North-East. They don't find it offensive though.

[Morningside]

"Top Gear producer admits Jeremy Clarkson's 'slope' remark WAS joke about Asian man but didn't realise 'light-hearted wordplay' was offensive (but regrets it now)"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2611044/To...

Wait for all the do gooders telling the BBC to end Top Gear.

[carinaman]

I think this silliness may take the shine off of his stuff like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXusKM5uX0s



He does say 'Trolling' rather than 'Trawling' in the introduction.

I stopped watching the TG Burma special half way into the first one, as it was just the same formula and silliness and I couldn't be bothered to see if there were any good bits in it. Sadly if the shows are so much storyboarded predictability and the same old rope, I do wonder if the un-PC and the racist stuff, if it is racist, is part of the appeal, the few 'jewels' to some people in the same old rope?

How does the slope comment compare to Breadvan72's piece about a letter from a Teacher at Dulwich College about Nigel Farage becoming a Prefect?

Clarkson's Top Gear persona is a 15 year old schoolboy trapped in the body of a 50 year old man?

Top Gear Clarkson is a just a character, just as The Stig is?

Ah yeah, Clarkson's programme on the HMS Campbelltown raid on St Nazaire mentions homosexuals. Homosexuals and Nazis. Makes me think of the Finnish gay postage stamps a bit. Japan enters the war at 11 minutes in. And today Japan's Navy has more ships than the Royal Navy. And are rewriting history in their school books about their past wars.

Edited by carinaman on Wednesday 23 April 13:09

[chris1roll]

I must have led a sheltered life, in 32 years on this earth I had no idea 'slope' was a racist term/slur, nor 'spade' as talked about earlier in the thread.
Just wondering now what other seemingly innocent terms I am completely unaware of that might cause offence.

I did think that scene was odd, but couldn't think why.

[longblackcoat]

chris1roll said:

I must have led a sheltered life, in 32 years on this earth I had no idea 'slope' was a racist term/slur, nor 'spade' as talked about earlier in the thread.
Just wondering now what other seemingly innocent terms I am completely unaware of that might cause offence.

I did think that scene was odd, but couldn't think why.

If you were Clarkson's age, you'd know - particularly if you were a student of history, as Clarkson is - that 'slope', 'gook', 'slant' are Vietnam-era derogatory terms. I'm a few years younger than Clarkson, and I knew immediately what was meant.

[carinaman]

I'm wondering how much of it is, 'We're being naughty and breaking the PC rules' rather than outright racism. I find some of the stereotype bits amusing. Perhaps some of it is an attack on people being so pompous, pious and precious?

I'm not sure how it fits with the discussion on the end of Radio 4's PM yesterday about Dan Snow's Tweet of Morris men with blacked up faces as it's part of the mining tradition when people used to emerge from holes in the ground covered in coal dust? It also tended to go in their lungs too.

I didn't see the slope comment, I walked away from the TV 30 minutes into the first part of that 'Special'.

[Blib]

longblackcoat said:

chris1roll said:

I must have led a sheltered life, in 32 years on this earth I had no idea 'slope' was a racist term/slur, nor 'spade' as talked about earlier in the thread.
Just wondering now what other seemingly innocent terms I am completely unaware of that might cause offence.

I did think that scene was odd, but couldn't think why.

If you were Clarkson's age, you'd know - particularly if you were a student of history, as Clarkson is - that 'slope', 'gook', 'slant' are Vietnam-era derogatory terms. I'm a few years younger than Clarkson, and I knew immediately what was meant.

Agreed. I'm his age, I realised immediately what he was 'getting at'.

[pork911]

longblackcoat said:

chris1roll said:

I must have led a sheltered life, in 32 years on this earth I had no idea 'slope' was a racist term/slur, nor 'spade' as talked about earlier in the thread.
Just wondering now what other seemingly innocent terms I am completely unaware of that might cause offence.

I did think that scene was odd, but couldn't think why.

If you were Clarkson's age, you'd know - particularly if you were a student of history, as Clarkson is - that 'slope', 'gook', 'slant' are Vietnam-era derogatory terms. I'm a few years younger than Clarkson, and I knew immediately what was meant.

and that's been the problem with this thread from the start

Maybe they didn't mean it - they admit they did.

Is it offensive/ racist / any problem? - even as a bit of pub banter i'd say it is...

...But it's the BBC, FFS.

[mybrainhurts]

Morningside said:

Wait for all the do gooders telling the BBC to end Top Gear.

Sadly, some of those wallies reside within these pages.

Edited by mybrainhurts on Wednesday 23 April 17:54

[DonkeyApple]

carinaman said:

I'm wondering how much of it is, 'We're being naughty and breaking the PC rules' rather than outright racism. I find some of the stereotype bits amusing. Perhaps some of it is an attack on people being so pompous, pious and precious?

Indeed. It wasn't racist because Clarkson isn't a racist.

It was un PC, and rightly so. There are many 'PC' things which it is good to poke fun at and in fact right and needed to poke fun at. Many PC matters require ridiculing. But generic derogatory terms are best left amongst mates when mocking other mates of whatever the relevant persuasion is and have no place on TV.

It was a PC dig combined with cheap comedy. Not really worth getting wound up over but not suitable for broadcast in the UK where we are above that. It was a little too low brow, a little too Southern European.

[mybrainhurts]

DonkeyApple said:

carinaman said:

I'm wondering how much of it is, 'We're being naughty and breaking the PC rules' rather than outright racism. I find some of the stereotype bits amusing. Perhaps some of it is an attack on people being so pompous, pious and precious?

Indeed. It wasn't racist because Clarkson isn't a racist.

It was un PC, and rightly so. There are many 'PC' things which it is good to poke fun at and in fact right and needed to poke fun at. Many PC matters require ridiculing. But generic derogatory terms are best left amongst mates when mocking other mates of whatever the relevant persuasion is and have no place on TV.

It was a PC dig combined with cheap comedy. Not really worth getting wound up over but not suitable for broadcast in the UK where we are above that. It was a little too low brow, a little too Southern European.

It's ok amongst mates, but not for broadcast?

How does that work, then?

I'd say it's very suitable for broadcast, as this is the only way to attack the nonsense that is Political Correctness.

Jeremy Clarkson for PM...you know it makes sense...

[Halb]

DonkeyApple said:

Indeed. It wasn't racist because Clarkson isn't a racist.
It was un PC, and rightly so. There are many 'PC' things which it is good to poke fun at and in fact right and needed to poke fun at. Many PC matters require ridiculing. But generic derogatory terms are best left amongst mates when mocking other mates of whatever the relevant persuasion is and have no place on TV.
It was a PC dig combined with cheap comedy. Not really worth getting wound up over but not suitable for broadcast in the UK where we are above that. It was a little too low brow, a little too Southern European.

Indeed. JC probably isn't racist, he's just a bit of a tit sometimes. Wholly misjudging what is appropriate and what isn't. I agree that racial epithets are best left to the Dusty Bin of history.
I'd rather JC make another top class documentary about the war.

[mybrainhurts]

Halb said:

Indeed. JC probably isn't racist, he's just a bit of a tit sometimes. Wholly misjudging what is appropriate and what isn't.

How high on the scale of appropriate do you put calling someone a tit in public?