Clarkson: Racist

[fido]

mybrainhurts said:

How high on the scale of appropriate do you put calling someone a tit in public?

In this case, I think it's very appropriate. They tried to get a laugh out of something that wasn't funny, but has landed the Beeb in a spot of bother. Hence the apology.

[mybrainhurts]

I didn't ask you, but thanks for responding.

[pork911]

DonkeyApple said:

carinaman said:

I'm wondering how much of it is, 'We're being naughty and breaking the PC rules' rather than outright racism. I find some of the stereotype bits amusing. Perhaps some of it is an attack on people being so pompous, pious and precious?

Indeed. It wasn't racist because Clarkson isn't a racist.

It was un PC, and rightly so. There are many 'PC' things which it is good to poke fun at and in fact right and needed to poke fun at. Many PC matters require ridiculing. But generic derogatory terms are best left amongst mates when mocking other mates of whatever the relevant persuasion is and have no place on TV.

It was a PC dig combined with cheap comedy. Not really worth getting wound up over but not suitable for broadcast in the UK where we are above that. It was a little too low brow, a little too Southern European.

Perhaps they should have stood by it and taken their chances under the equality act?


'It wasn't because he isn't' - what does that even mean?

[mybrainhurts]

Never, in the field of human wittering, has so much tripe been written by so many about so few.

[Halb]

mybrainhurts said:

Halb said:

Indeed. JC probably isn't racist, he's just a bit of a tit sometimes. Wholly misjudging what is appropriate and what isn't.

How high on the scale of appropriate do you put calling someone a tit in public?

On a forum like this, identifying a man who uses racial epithets for cheap shots on a publicly broadcast international show...highly appropriate.

[mybrainhurts]

Halb said:

mybrainhurts said:

Halb said:

Indeed. JC probably isn't racist, he's just a bit of a tit sometimes. Wholly misjudging what is appropriate and what isn't.

How high on the scale of appropriate do you put calling someone a tit in public?

On a forum like this, identifying a man who uses racial epithets for cheap shots on a publicly broadcast international show...highly appropriate.

So, racism inappropriate, calling someone tit appropriate.

Racism = bad because the subject is offended.

If you call me a tit and that offends me, why doesn't the same rule apply?

Double standards at work here, you tittist.

[Halb]

mybrainhurts said:

So, racism inappropriate, calling someone tit appropriate.
Racism = bad because the subject is offended.
If you call me a tit and that offends me, why doesn't the same rule apply?
Double standards at work here, you tittist.

Double standards...haha, no
Being racist, or using racial slurs is not really on, it is behaviour belong in the past. Some have issue with that. Calling out a person for still using the racial slur for cheap laughs. So what happened here?
Someone makes a comment on someone's race for whatever reason, I then comment on the actions of an individual being offensive just for fun, that is the difference. To think that is double standards (ignoring the publicly broadcast part altogether) is simply incorrect....bit like using the original racist slur.
If you broadcast your own racist thoughts as comedy in your motoring show, I might well tell my friends (online or in RL) that I thought you were a Tit. If you used racist slurs here for comedy, I more than likely wouldn't engage you and keep quiet. Regardless, seeing a person comment on someone's race, and on an individuals actions...wow, they are not the same.

Edited by Halb on Thursday 24th April 00:56

[Halb]

fido said:

In this case, I think it's very appropriate. They tried to get a laugh out of something that wasn't funny, but has landed the Beeb in a spot of bother. Hence the apology.

Exactly.
Makes me wonder why JC bothers with stuff like that. A single-handed vault to take us back into the great '70s! He should make a good old days documentary like Ian Hislop!

[mybrainhurts]

Halb said:

mybrainhurts said:

So, racism inappropriate, calling someone tit appropriate.
Racism = bad because the subject is offended.
If you call me a tit and that offends me, why doesn't the same rule apply?
Double standards at work here, you tittist.

Double standards...haha, no
Being racist, or using racial slurs is not really on, it is behaviour belong in the past. Some have issue with that. Calling out a person for still using the racial slur for cheap laughs. So what happened here?
Someone makes a comment on someone's race for whatever reason, I then comment on the actions of an individual being offensive just for fun, that is the difference. To think that is double standards (ignoring the publicly broadcast part altogether) is simply incorrect....bit like using the original racist slur.
If you broadcast your own racist thoughts as comedy in your motoring show, I might well tell my friends (online or in RL) that I thought you were a Tit. If you used racist slurs here for comedy, I more than likely wouldn't engage you and keep quiet. Regardless, seeing a person comment on someone's race, and on an individuals actions...wow, they are not the same.

You tittists do talk some tripe.

[Ginge R]

In this week of the bard's birthday, is it appropriate thst we remember this line?

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers".

Racist? Hardly.

[10 Pence Short]

I'm hardly a fan of political correctness, but would I call someone South East Asian, who I met on the street, a Slope? Not a chance.

It was badly judged, but that's it. No need for hangings.

[DonkeyApple]

mybrainhurts said:

DonkeyApple said:

carinaman said:

I'm wondering how much of it is, 'We're being naughty and breaking the PC rules' rather than outright racism. I find some of the stereotype bits amusing. Perhaps some of it is an attack on people being so pompous, pious and precious?

Indeed. It wasn't racist because Clarkson isn't a racist.

It was un PC, and rightly so. There are many 'PC' things which it is good to poke fun at and in fact right and needed to poke fun at. Many PC matters require ridiculing. But generic derogatory terms are best left amongst mates when mocking other mates of whatever the relevant persuasion is and have no place on TV.

It was a PC dig combined with cheap comedy. Not really worth getting wound up over but not suitable for broadcast in the UK where we are above that. It was a little too low brow, a little too Southern European.

It's ok amongst mates, but not for broadcast?

How does that work, then?

I'd say it's very suitable for broadcast, as this is the only way to attack the nonsense that is Political Correctness.

Jeremy Clarkson for PM...you know it makes sense...

How does what work?

And why are generic slurs a good way to battle political correctness?

[DonkeyApple]

pork911 said:

Perhaps they should have stood by it and taken their chances under the equality act?


'It wasn't because he isn't' - what does that even mean?

It means that to actually be racist it has to be issued with the intent of being racist.

It's why an identical sentence said by Joanna Lumley and Nick Griffin could have two totally different contexts.

[DonkeyApple]

Ginge R said:

In this week of the bard's birthday, is it appropriate thst we remember this line?

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers".

Racist? Hardly.

Let's also remember that no one knows when he was born or when he died.

They are just random dates chosen by the Tourist Board and supported by those who needed to try and add gravitas to St George's Day for marketing purposes.

But he was clearly a racist as he used expressions such as 'thick lips' and coined the term 'sooty'.

[Ginge R]

Just like Xmas.. We could spend our entire lives looking backwards but given what you just said, the next line to the lawyer gad was certainly more prescient.

"Nay, that I mean to do. Is not this a lamentable thing, that of the skin of an innocent lamb should be made parchment? that parchment, being scribbled o'er, should undo a man? Some say the bee stings: but I say, 'tis the bee's wax; for I did but seal once to a thing, and I was never mine own man since.- How now! who's there?"

Shakespeare may have coined thick lips, but is he also suggesting that although some might rob you with a flintlock, some rob you with rules and regulation? That the lines were delivered by a villain, and that these lawyers chose to release this news on April 23, I wonder what their real objective was.

In a decade when we have lost countless lives supposedly furthering others right to free speech, maybe this collection of lawyers would have more to be proud about if they opened up a branch in Kabul. Whenever I hear one pontificating behind the patina of measured respectability, I am reminded that knowledge isn't intelligence, and intelligence isn't wisdom.

I am reminded too, of Douglas Bader "rules are for the obedience of fools, and the guidance of wise men" - admittedly, the potential bastion of the martinet! Belated Happy St George's Day.

DonkeyApple said:

Let's also remember that no one knows when he was born or when he died.

They are just random dates chosen by the Tourist Board and supported by those who needed to try and add gravitas to St George's Day for marketing purposes.

But he was clearly a racist as he used expressions such as 'thick lips' and coined the term 'sooty'.

[Shelsleyf2]

Hmm Question, is it racist if the word used is not in common circulation and cannot be found in a dictionary? Presumably you would have to prove that the word was being used as a racist insult, but who is insulted offended?.
In common use in Thailand is the word "Farang" this word is used when describing stupid, unpleasant or offensive actions of white Caucasians, and if you ask a Thai they will tell you that it just means white Caucasians but it is also used as a derogatory term. If someone calls me Farang should I be offended?.

[Halb]

DonkeyApple said:

How does what work?
And why are generic slurs a good way to battle political correctness?

Because we live in rude topsy-turvy town?

[rohrl]

Halb said:

DonkeyApple said:

How does what work?
And why are generic slurs a good way to battle political correctness?

Because we live in rude topsy-turvy town?

Where a multimillionaire TV presenter and syndicated newspaper columnist is terribly brave to casually abuse a voiceless unknown because in doing so he's fighting the power.

[pork911]

DonkeyApple said:

pork911 said:

Perhaps they should have stood by it and taken their chances under the equality act?


'It wasn't because he isn't' - what does that even mean?

It means that to actually be racist it has to be issued with the intent of being racist.

It's why an identical sentence said by Joanna Lumley and Nick Griffin could have two totally different contexts.

You know his intentions?

[fido]

Shelsleyf2 said:

In common use in Thailand is the word "Farang" this word is used when describing stupid, unpleasant or offensive actions of white Caucasians

Erm, no according to my Thai friends - it just means Europeans - hence Farang Bars are where white people hang out. It's not meant to be offensive. Though like everything else it's all about the context.

Edited by fido on Thursday 24th April 11:45