Clarkson: Racist
Discussion
fido said:
Erm, no according to my Thai friends - it just means Europeans - hence Farang Bars are where white people hang out. It's not meant to be offensive. Though like everything else it's all about the context.
Indeed, 'gaijin' in Japan is mostly used without insult, although when a elderly chap refered to me as such while talking to someone else at a polite lunch, he caught himself and apologised. It's a bit like 'foreigner' - unloaded in ordinary use until a hateful context loads it up with negative meaning. Edited by fido on Thursday 24th April 11:45
'Slope' is very different though - I've always assumed it's a reference to eye shape (c.f. the infamous gaffe by that other famous non-racist, the Duke of Edinburgh), and a way of dehumanising the 'enemy'.
pork911 said:
DonkeyApple said:
pork911 said:
Perhaps they should have stood by it and taken their chances under the equality act?
'It wasn't because he isn't' - what does that even mean?
It means that to actually be racist it has to be issued with the intent of being racist. 'It wasn't because he isn't' - what does that even mean?
It's why an identical sentence said by Joanna Lumley and Nick Griffin could have two totally different contexts.
Met him enough times to certainly know that he isn't a racist.
DonkeyApple said:
pork911 said:
DonkeyApple said:
pork911 said:
Perhaps they should have stood by it and taken their chances under the equality act?
'It wasn't because he isn't' - what does that even mean?
It means that to actually be racist it has to be issued with the intent of being racist. 'It wasn't because he isn't' - what does that even mean?
It's why an identical sentence said by Joanna Lumley and Nick Griffin could have two totally different contexts.
Met him enough times to certainly know that he isn't a racist.
Regardless of 'him not being like that' (oft used and meaningless) if not a racist is what he said racist?
rohrl said:
mybrainhurts said:
God, this is tedious. So much guff over a non event.
As you keep telling us. Goodness knows why you keep clicking on a thread which bores you so much.I await the Pointy Fingers of Condemnation for the use of the term nursey next. First to say misogynist wins a night out with a sweaty feminist wrestler...
pork911 said:
You said it needed intent which it doesn't, but you don't know what his intent was anyway (the apology accepts he was referring to the guy) and yet you claim to certainly know he is not a racist.
Regardless of 'him not being like that' (oft used and meaningless) if not a racist is what he said racist?
Of course it needs intent, just as much as it needs context. Regardless of 'him not being like that' (oft used and meaningless) if not a racist is what he said racist?
So, what was the intent?
DonkeyApple said:
pork911 said:
You said it needed intent which it doesn't, but you don't know what his intent was anyway (the apology accepts he was referring to the guy) and yet you claim to certainly know he is not a racist.
Regardless of 'him not being like that' (oft used and meaningless) if not a racist is what he said racist?
Of course it needs intent, just as much as it needs context. Regardless of 'him not being like that' (oft used and meaningless) if not a racist is what he said racist?
So, what was the intent?
that's all the intent and context that's relevant
intent to be racist or something else is entirely irrelevant other than to scale
Would he, you or I call someone that in the street?
That its a broadcast reference is even worse.
Claiming he, the producers or the BBC shouldn't have been aware before broadcast that it's an offensive term is absolute bks.
pork911 said:
DonkeyApple said:
pork911 said:
You said it needed intent which it doesn't, but you don't know what his intent was anyway (the apology accepts he was referring to the guy) and yet you claim to certainly know he is not a racist.
Regardless of 'him not being like that' (oft used and meaningless) if not a racist is what he said racist?
Of course it needs intent, just as much as it needs context. Regardless of 'him not being like that' (oft used and meaningless) if not a racist is what he said racist?
So, what was the intent?
that's all the intent and context that's relevant
intent to be racist or something else is entirely irrelevant other than to scale
Would he, you or I call someone that in the street?
That its a broadcast reference is even worse.
Claiming he, the producers or the BBC shouldn't have been aware before broadcast that it's an offensive term is absolute bks.
Secondly, please find where I have said it was acceptable. You can't because from the outset I have not.
Now bugger off.
DonkeyApple said:
pork911 said:
DonkeyApple said:
pork911 said:
You said it needed intent which it doesn't, but you don't know what his intent was anyway (the apology accepts he was referring to the guy) and yet you claim to certainly know he is not a racist.
Regardless of 'him not being like that' (oft used and meaningless) if not a racist is what he said racist?
Of course it needs intent, just as much as it needs context. Regardless of 'him not being like that' (oft used and meaningless) if not a racist is what he said racist?
So, what was the intent?
that's all the intent and context that's relevant
intent to be racist or something else is entirely irrelevant other than to scale
Would he, you or I call someone that in the street?
That its a broadcast reference is even worse.
Claiming he, the producers or the BBC shouldn't have been aware before broadcast that it's an offensive term is absolute bks.
Secondly, please find where I have said it was acceptable. You can't because from the outset I have not.
Now bugger off.
pork911 said:
deliberate and unacceptable but somehow some other intent you wish for there to have been makes what difference?
Because JC is most likely on the whole of it not racist. What he did was incredibly stupid and pathetic, but the need to force that in the show comes (I think) from some bizarre attempt at 1970's comedy. Not from some malignant bigotry from within where he places other 'races' on a lower level. He made a really st joke, he tried to worm away from it, but in the end they have owned up (sort of). If he has any sense he won't do it again.Some might reckon it helps feed into a passive racism, but I reckon the backlash that has been (justifiably) created has let everyone know (apart from a few dinosaurs) that slurs of that kind aren't really wanted in prime-time telly. It's a storm in a teacup that JC (and others) will hopefully have learned from.
pork911 said:
DonkeyApple said:
pork911 said:
DonkeyApple said:
pork911 said:
You said it needed intent which it doesn't, but you don't know what his intent was anyway (the apology accepts he was referring to the guy) and yet you claim to certainly know he is not a racist.
Regardless of 'him not being like that' (oft used and meaningless) if not a racist is what he said racist?
Of course it needs intent, just as much as it needs context. Regardless of 'him not being like that' (oft used and meaningless) if not a racist is what he said racist?
So, what was the intent?
that's all the intent and context that's relevant
intent to be racist or something else is entirely irrelevant other than to scale
Would he, you or I call someone that in the street?
That its a broadcast reference is even worse.
Claiming he, the producers or the BBC shouldn't have been aware before broadcast that it's an offensive term is absolute bks.
Secondly, please find where I have said it was acceptable. You can't because from the outset I have not.
Now bugger off.
You have gotten yourself very confused.
Halb said:
pork911 said:
deliberate and unacceptable but somehow some other intent you wish for there to have been makes what difference?
Because JC is most likely on the whole of it not racist. What he did was incredibly stupid and pathetic, but the need to force that in the show comes (I think) from some bizarre attempt at 1970's comedy. Not from some malignant bigotry from within where he places other 'races' on a lower level. He made a really st joke, he tried to worm away from it, but in the end they have owned up (sort of). If he has any sense he won't do it again.Some might reckon it helps feed into a passive racism, but I reckon the backlash that has been (justifiably) created has let everyone know (apart from a few dinosaurs) that slurs of that kind aren't really wanted in prime-time telly. It's a storm in a teacup that JC (and others) will hopefully have learned from.
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