Clarkson: Racist
Discussion
Have to say I am with donkey on this one. The label Racist is very quickly attached.
If I sat in a swing park and a mother sat next to me and we started to talk about the kids playing and she asked me which one was mine? If, being a bit of a joker, I replied "I am not sure, I haven't chosen yet".
Now does that make me a child molester? Or just not very funny?
If I sat in a swing park and a mother sat next to me and we started to talk about the kids playing and she asked me which one was mine? If, being a bit of a joker, I replied "I am not sure, I haven't chosen yet".
Now does that make me a child molester? Or just not very funny?
Grumfutock said:
Have to say I am with donkey on this one. The label Racist is very quickly attached.
If I sat in a swing park and a mother sat next to me and we started to talk about the kids playing and she asked me which one was mine? If, being a bit of a joker, I replied "I am not sure, I haven't chosen yet".
Now does that make me a child molester? Or just not very funny?
It suggests that you could be either, neither or both.If I sat in a swing park and a mother sat next to me and we started to talk about the kids playing and she asked me which one was mine? If, being a bit of a joker, I replied "I am not sure, I haven't chosen yet".
Now does that make me a child molester? Or just not very funny?
Clarkson has form on (mildly) racist comments however, and that makes it different. If you were to make the same comment twice, in similar situations to the same people, they'd question your humour and your motives.
Mr Snap said:
It suggests that you could be either, neither or both.
Clarkson has form on (mildly) racist comments however, and that makes it different. If you were to make the same comment twice, in similar situations to the same people, they'd question your humour and your motives.
In that case every person I know over 80 is a racist!Clarkson has form on (mildly) racist comments however, and that makes it different. If you were to make the same comment twice, in similar situations to the same people, they'd question your humour and your motives.
Grumfutock said:
Mr Snap said:
It suggests that you could be either, neither or both.
Clarkson has form on (mildly) racist comments however, and that makes it different. If you were to make the same comment twice, in similar situations to the same people, they'd question your humour and your motives.
In that case every person I know over 80 is a racist!Clarkson has form on (mildly) racist comments however, and that makes it different. If you were to make the same comment twice, in similar situations to the same people, they'd question your humour and your motives.
(Seriously, 80 yr olds do tend to be racist/xenophobic, it's got something to do with their, understandable, fear of change and their upbringing as members of the british empire. Because of this, I can't really bring myself to blame them. Clarkson, on the other hand, is young and well educated. He has no excuse: for the millions he earns, he can afford better joke writers).
Mr Snap said:
Maybe you need to find a different set of 80yr olds to knock about with…
(Seriously, 80 yr olds do tend to be racist/xenophobic, it's got something to do with their, understandable, fear of change and their upbringing as members of the british empire. Because of this, I can't really bring myself to blame them. Clarkson, on the other hand, is young and well educated. He has no excuse: for the millions he earns, he can afford better joke writers).
I am stuck with them, they are family (Seriously, 80 yr olds do tend to be racist/xenophobic, it's got something to do with their, understandable, fear of change and their upbringing as members of the british empire. Because of this, I can't really bring myself to blame them. Clarkson, on the other hand, is young and well educated. He has no excuse: for the millions he earns, he can afford better joke writers).
Mr Snap said:
Grumfutock said:
Mr Snap said:
It suggests that you could be either, neither or both.
Clarkson has form on (mildly) racist comments however, and that makes it different. If you were to make the same comment twice, in similar situations to the same people, they'd question your humour and your motives.
In that case every person I know over 80 is a racist!Clarkson has form on (mildly) racist comments however, and that makes it different. If you were to make the same comment twice, in similar situations to the same people, they'd question your humour and your motives.
(Seriously, 80 yr olds do tend to be racist/xenophobic, it's got something to do with their, understandable, fear of change and their upbringing as members of the british empire. Because of this, I can't really bring myself to blame them. Clarkson, on the other hand, is young and well educated. He has no excuse: for the millions he earns, he can afford better joke writers).
It's why it is good that we seem to finally be having a public debate on immigration where logical reasonings are being allowed to be aired instead of shut down by cries of racism.
I can't think of another culture that is less racist than the English, despite what words get used, the belief isn't there. This is the country who's people embraced Gandi and ended Apartheid and it wasn't the loony liberals but just normal people who pushed for what was right despite what words they may use in conversation.
My grandfather's language was typical of his generation and yet he actively protected Jewish immigrants and when his area of North London became Indian he became good friends with the old East African Indians who used the same derogatory terms.
DonkeyApple said:
I think there is something in that. But also it's the generation before any PC. But also, much of it is just language and not actions or beliefs or even thoughts. One thing that England stands out on the world stage in is the fact that we are just about the most tollerant and open minded country out there. You only have to step into Europe to witness proper racism where the words come from people who believe. We are a very outward looking island race and very open to other cultures as can be seen by just how rapidly we assimilate the words and customs of others.
It's why it is good that we seem to finally be having a public debate on immigration where logical reasonings are being allowed to be aired instead of shut down by cries of racism.
I can't think of another culture that is less racist than the English, despite what words get used, the belief isn't there. This is the country who's people embraced Gandi and ended Apartheid and it wasn't the loony liberals but just normal people who pushed for what was right despite what words they may use in conversation.
My grandfather's language was typical of his generation and yet he actively protected Jewish immigrants and when his area of North London became Indian he became good friends with the old East African Indians who used the same derogatory terms.
that is a cracking post .It's why it is good that we seem to finally be having a public debate on immigration where logical reasonings are being allowed to be aired instead of shut down by cries of racism.
I can't think of another culture that is less racist than the English, despite what words get used, the belief isn't there. This is the country who's people embraced Gandi and ended Apartheid and it wasn't the loony liberals but just normal people who pushed for what was right despite what words they may use in conversation.
My grandfather's language was typical of his generation and yet he actively protected Jewish immigrants and when his area of North London became Indian he became good friends with the old East African Indians who used the same derogatory terms.
wc98 said:
DonkeyApple said:
I think there is something in that. But also it's the generation before any PC. But also, much of it is just language and not actions or beliefs or even thoughts. One thing that England stands out on the world stage in is the fact that we are just about the most tollerant and open minded country out there. You only have to step into Europe to witness proper racism where the words come from people who believe. We are a very outward looking island race and very open to other cultures as can be seen by just how rapidly we assimilate the words and customs of others.
It's why it is good that we seem to finally be having a public debate on immigration where logical reasonings are being allowed to be aired instead of shut down by cries of racism.
I can't think of another culture that is less racist than the English, despite what words get used, the belief isn't there. This is the country who's people embraced Gandi and ended Apartheid and it wasn't the loony liberals but just normal people who pushed for what was right despite what words they may use in conversation.
My grandfather's language was typical of his generation and yet he actively protected Jewish immigrants and when his area of North London became Indian he became good friends with the old East African Indians who used the same derogatory terms.
that is a cracking post .It's why it is good that we seem to finally be having a public debate on immigration where logical reasonings are being allowed to be aired instead of shut down by cries of racism.
I can't think of another culture that is less racist than the English, despite what words get used, the belief isn't there. This is the country who's people embraced Gandi and ended Apartheid and it wasn't the loony liberals but just normal people who pushed for what was right despite what words they may use in conversation.
My grandfather's language was typical of his generation and yet he actively protected Jewish immigrants and when his area of North London became Indian he became good friends with the old East African Indians who used the same derogatory terms.
B17NNS said:
I think there is a massive vendetta against him! And it's a 126 year old rhyme and granted it's not common place but I'm 26 and I have heard of it and I'm not from a racist family it's just so a very well know rhyme Report said:
Legal experts have said that the presenter could have breached equality legislation, depending on the context in which the word was used and whether a crew member had been offended by what was said.
Oh dear, the poor thing. Was he offended...?If so, I do hope he recovered with no lasting scars, flashbacks and the like.
nice1two said:
I think there is a massive vendetta against him! And it's a 126 year old rhyme and granted it's not common place but I'm 26 and I have heard of it and I'm not from a racist family it's just so a very well know rhyme
Comedy isn't it. i'm 39. When I was a lad that was the rhyme. Teachers wrote on black boards and our jam had cheery little cartoon black fellas on it.None of my friends grew up to be racist. Well, except maybe for Dave, but he hates everyone, so strictly still nobody.
article said:
“It is gross bad taste. It is sticking two fingers up at what is now considered civilised language.
Don't you get it? That's what he does.article said:
“If it had been brought to the attention of the police, they would have considered whether an offence had taken place and whether it was in the public interest to prosecute.
FFS 
Edited by B17NNS on Thursday 1st May 01:34
otolith said:
Nobody heard it until the "audio forensic experts" extracted it - perhaps they should be sued for hurting everyone's feelings?
Some prat said:
I don't know if he said what I think he said, so I'll get the recording examined by experts to determine if I need to be offended.
Why do idiots like this bother to squeeze out of the womb?B17NNS said:
Sensationalist bunk, there's nothing wrong with saying 
in that context.First they came for the Dambusters and I did not speak out because I was not a Dambuster.
Question is, how many of you that think "he wasn't being offensive!" or "the context in which he said it is fine!" would happily use the N-word in that same way in front of a black person that you've never met before?
Anyone that says they would, IMO, is talking nonsense and needs to quit with the keyboard bravado.
Anyone that says they would, IMO, is talking nonsense and needs to quit with the keyboard bravado.
Dav_s said:
Question is, how many of you that think "he wasn't being offensive!" or "the context in which he said it is fine!" would happily use the N-word in that same way in front of a black person that you've never met before?
Anyone that says they would, IMO, is talking nonsense and needs to quit with the keyboard bravado.
Racist, plenty of brown people use the word with each other.Anyone that says they would, IMO, is talking nonsense and needs to quit with the keyboard bravado.
he says he hasnt said it
even if he did it was not on air or offensive to anyone who may have heard it
even if someone heard it its not offensive if its ok for blacks to use it
should people be recording other peoples conversations without them knowing isnt that illegal?
complete non story by pc lovings who are ruining this country and driving people to ukip
even if he did it was not on air or offensive to anyone who may have heard it
even if someone heard it its not offensive if its ok for blacks to use it
should people be recording other peoples conversations without them knowing isnt that illegal?
complete non story by pc loving
s who are ruining this country and driving people to ukipDav_s said:
Question is, how many of you that think "he wasn't being offensive!" or "the context in which he said it is fine!" would happily use the N-word in that same way in front of a black person that you've never met before?
Anyone that says they would, IMO, is talking nonsense and needs to quit with the keyboard bravado.
i'm sorry did he use it in front of a black person? do you have proof he said it? are you talking crap?Anyone that says they would, IMO, is talking nonsense and needs to quit with the keyboard bravado.
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