UKIP - The Future - Volume 2

[Benbay001]

DeanR32 said:

I'll have a butchers at their manifesto when it's out. You just never know!!

I wasnt a UKIP supporter until i read their manifesto at the last election.
Most of it seemed like common sense.

It wasnt pages and pages of
"we will reduce taxes" "we will increase spending"
Everyone knows that you cannot do both.
Instead it was plenty of efficiency savings (flat rates of tax for example) and simplifing regulations.

But without trying to harp on, i think the average Brit is not aware how important energy police has become.

You get up to your heated home, you shower, cook some food and then drive to work.

At work you may use a PC for 8 hours a day, or you may have a job that involves more driving.
After work you drive home, and decide to go for a run.
Its dark by this time, so clearly the council have had to provide street lighting (which goes onto your tax bill)
You get home, cook (again) and then watch TV and bed.

Almost everything anyone in a first world country does involves consuming either electric, gas or oil.

And when you have a government who cannot deliver cheap energy (maybe because their brother has a field stuffed full of brand new tax subsidised wind turbine, or because they believe that carbon damages the planet) then it is time to switch to a government who doesnt believe this non sense.

Even if i was a MMGW believer, then i think that there are things that will kill off the human race long before desertification and centimeters of sea level rise.

Governments have always needed a crisis to occupy the attention of the public and provide justification for taxes.
It used to be forign wars, the last being the cold war. Now it seems its climate change. The faster we move onto the next threat of the day, the better.

[DeanR32]

Cheers 4v6 for that. Worth a try mate.

I've been reading the ukip future thread as it goes and if I'm honest, the EU in/out business has me torn. I won't lie to you though, I don't know enough about the pros and cons of it all. Whoever wins the election, I hope they make the right decision as to the EU fiasco.

If he gets in, I doubt it'll be down to my vote.

[DeanR32]

You mean the 2010 manifesto?

Who did you vote for before?

[Benbay001]

DeanR32 said:

You mean the 2010 manifesto?

Who did you vote for before?

Yep, the 2010 one.

I have never voted in a GE before.

Ive never legally been able to vote in a GE before. (im 21 now)

I would have been a Labour voter.
I stayed up burning the mid night oil during the 2010 elections hoping that labour would stay in power, because i was terrified that right wing policies would demolish the UK that i had been brought up in (i guess that was my concern, seems like ages ago now).

I since realised that Labour are completely crooked. The Tories, slightly less so. The Lib Dems are morally as sound as a main stream political party will get but have views that are completely the opposite to my own.

I think the Tories have done a good job of running the country considering. But its a recovery based around a seriously inflated housing market, if that bubble pops, its all back to square one as far as i see.

[xjsdriver]

Benbay001 said:

Yep, the 2010 one.

I have never voted in a GE before.

Ive never legally been able to vote in a GE before. (im 21 now)

I would have been a Labour voter.
I stayed up burning the mid night oil during the 2010 elections hoping that labour would stay in power, because i was terrified that right wing policies would demolish the UK that i had been brought up in (i guess that was my concern, seems like ages ago now).

I since realised that Labour are completely crooked. The Tories, slightly less so. The Lib Dems are morally as sound as a main stream political party will get but have views that are completely the opposite to my own.

I think the Tories have done a good job of running the country considering. But its a recovery based around a seriously inflated housing market, if that bubble pops, its all back to square one as far as i see.

If the Tories had allowed the money made from heavily discounted council house sales to do directly back into building new housing stock - we would not have the chronic shortage of properties that we have today, which are artificially inflated in price due to the laws of supply and demand. If the council house sales had been properly managed, we simply would not have the housing crisis boom and bust bubble.

[powerstroke]

xjsdriver said:

HonestIago said:

I donated again to UKIP today. Every little helps!

Surely that's a bit of a wasted donation, no?.... UKIP have never ever kept a deposit in Scotland, and from what I gather - they aren't planning on anywhere near the same level of campaigning in Scotland as they have in the past, in the event of a yes vote. You may have well as given the money to the Tories in Scotland, they may at least keep their deposits, but I doubt if they will gain any extra seats. I'm not for one moment suggesting that there should be no right wing political parties in Scotland, only that the majority of the Scottish populace don't ever seem to want to give them the time of day, let alone seats in Parliament.

I think the Jockaneese are a lost cause ,well at least until they have there say as to being a socialist land of milk and honey ,white fluffy clouds presided over by the god like Salmond, or staying with the boring rest of the UK that always abuses there good nature ,I don't think they are mature enough yet for UKIP!!!! Maybe they will surprise us ???

[don4l]

xjsdriver said:

If the Tories had allowed the money made from heavily discounted council house sales to do directly back into building new housing stock - we would not have the chronic shortage of properties that we have today, which are artificially inflated in price due to the laws of supply and demand. If the council house sales had been properly managed, we simply would not have the housing crisis boom and bust bubble.

Dear God, I have read some ill informed comments on Pistonheads, but this is a bit "special". It deserves an award.

[Halb]

don4l said:

xjsdriver said:

If the Tories had allowed the money made from heavily discounted council house sales to do directly back into building new housing stock - we would not have the chronic shortage of properties that we have today, which are artificially inflated in price due to the laws of supply and demand. If the council house sales had been properly managed, we simply would not have the housing crisis boom and bust bubble.

Dear God, I have read some ill informed comments on Pistonheads, but this is a bit "special". It deserves an award.

How so?

[don4l]

Halb said:

don4l said:

xjsdriver said:

If the Tories had allowed the money made from heavily discounted council house sales to do directly back into building new housing stock - we would not have the chronic shortage of properties that we have today, which are artificially inflated in price due to the laws of supply and demand. If the council house sales had been properly managed, we simply would not have the housing crisis boom and bust bubble.

Dear God, I have read some ill informed comments on Pistonheads, but this is a bit "special". It deserves an award.

How so?

Planning regulations control how much new building takes place.

There is plenty of money available for house building. There just aren't enough sites with suitable planning permission.

When I bought my current house (22 years ago) the cost of the plot was 3 times the cost of the building. Now, it is probably 5 times.

The availability of suitable plots controls the availability of housing.

[Halb]

Will UKiPs gain a seat?

One of UKiPs largest problems as I see it. Is that the party (or the good parts of it) start and end with NF. The rest, that I have seen are just plain st. With one exception, the bloke who was on QT two weeks ago, he was sound, and actually a better than NF I thought. But Bloom (now gone) and that Scouser...the others...er.

[CrutyRammers]

Benbay001 said:

The Lib Dems are morally as sound as a main stream political party will get

Sorry, but
They say they are, but when the time comes to prove it, they show themselves to be utterly spiteful and spineless.

[steveT350C]

NF's regular Diary in the Spectator.

The comments are strikingly positive!

http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-week/diary/9176081/...

[Digga]

steveT350C said:

NF's regular Diary in the Spectator.

The comments are strikingly positive!

http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-week/diary/9176081/...

I dare anyone to call him a Little Englander after reading that piece.

[RedTrident]

Without the Europe position UKIP is nothing. I'm sure we'll see the Tories make good publicity out of the referendum promise and we'll see UKIP as a political party end up without one single MP. Not that it would matter, we probably would never have the debate we're having nor the referendum without them.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who can't work out why a trade agreement has to also include the transfer of powers or the free movement of people who actually aren't here to work.

[Turn7]

4v6 said:

DeanR32 said:

Still, there plenty time to convince me I should be voting ukip. Doubt it but let's see

Ok I'll have a little bash at convincing you.

Take a look at the alternatives.
Three parties who are all singing from the same hymn sheet regarding having us subjugated by brussels.
Three parties who are virtually indistinguishable.
Three parties who between them have F*cked over every man woman and child thats ever walked this land in the pursuit of self interest.
Three parties who have all had a go at the job and who all have royally F*cked it up.
Three parties whose entire 600 worth of are so totally self absorbed that the likes of you and me dont even register in their conciousness, save for voting time when theyre everything to everyone.
If their chauffer ran you over theyd probably yell at you for bleeding on the floor, for being in their way and holding them up for their taxpayer funded functions.

Ukip havent had an opportunity to make a mess of things nor of trying to make it right.
I believe we have a duty to put our foot right up the padded ar$es of the politcal class and the rotten establishment by getting them out! we deserve to be in charge of our own country no?
If people wont or dont use their god given freedom of thought to weigh up the options and simply stick with " dad voted for em" or because of some other programmed idiocy then they deserve more of the same never ending rape and pillage.
I happen to think the status quo has betrayed everyone its presided over, the political class arent our public servants, our representatives any longer, theyre our masters, cleggy showed it last night to those whose eyes were open.

I dont know about you but I dont fancy being told what to do by Tony B Liar, the president of the United States of Europa nor the rest oo his good little pigs in parliament.
Time to take a chance on a better future, theres nothing to fear from failing, the established parties have already shown us how well they can do that, anything else is bound to be a breath of fresh air.

Amen to that....

Trouble is, Im not convinced NF and pals wont get their noses in the trough once they see whats to be had....

[Benbay001]

Halb said:

the party starts and ends with NF. The rest, that I have seen are just plain st.

Roger Helmer
Paul Nuttall
William Legge, the Earl of Dartmouth
Patrick o Flynn

If you were really interested you could always search out some videos of the above and you may find that UKIP are not a one man band.

[steveT350C]

Turn7 said:

4v6 said:

DeanR32 said:

Still, there plenty time to convince me I should be voting ukip. Doubt it but let's see

Ok I'll have a little bash at convincing you.

Take a look at the alternatives.
Three parties who are all singing from the same hymn sheet regarding having us subjugated by brussels.
Three parties who are virtually indistinguishable.
Three parties who between them have F*cked over every man woman and child thats ever walked this land in the pursuit of self interest.
Three parties who have all had a go at the job and who all have royally F*cked it up.
Three parties whose entire 600 worth of are so totally self absorbed that the likes of you and me dont even register in their conciousness, save for voting time when theyre everything to everyone.
If their chauffer ran you over theyd probably yell at you for bleeding on the floor, for being in their way and holding them up for their taxpayer funded functions.

Ukip havent had an opportunity to make a mess of things nor of trying to make it right.
I believe we have a duty to put our foot right up the padded ar$es of the politcal class and the rotten establishment by getting them out! we deserve to be in charge of our own country no?
If people wont or dont use their god given freedom of thought to weigh up the options and simply stick with " dad voted for em" or because of some other programmed idiocy then they deserve more of the same never ending rape and pillage.
I happen to think the status quo has betrayed everyone its presided over, the political class arent our public servants, our representatives any longer, theyre our masters, cleggy showed it last night to those whose eyes were open.

I dont know about you but I dont fancy being told what to do by Tony B Liar, the president of the United States of Europa nor the rest oo his good little pigs in parliament.
Time to take a chance on a better future, theres nothing to fear from failing, the established parties have already shown us how well they can do that, anything else is bound to be a breath of fresh air.

Amen to that....

Trouble is, Im not convinced NF and pals wont get their noses in the trough once they see whats to be had....

The old adage that 'power corrupts'.

it is a very valid point, one that rs1952 has hung his hat on over on the Farage v Clegg debate thread.

As a kipper, it is also a genuine concern, although having met and spoken with NF 1-1, I do believe that he is in this precisely because of his anti-power stance. He is not a career politician. He decided to go into politics because as a businessman he became acutely aware of the corruption within the EU and indeed in Westminster.

He really does believe in a small Government for the UK, acting in the UK's interests, and no more.

He is on a role, gaining credibility and popularity, much to the dismay of the career politicians he is beginning to expose. Whether he succumbs and starts pigging out in the trough, only time will tell. Let's see after he becomes an MP in Westminster in 2015.

[McWigglebum4th]

RedTrident said:

Without the Europe position UKIP is nothing. I'm sure we'll see the Tories make good publicity out of the referendum promise and we'll see UKIP as a political party end up without one single MP. Not that it would matter, we probably would never have the debate we're having nor the referendum without them.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who can't work out why a trade agreement has to also include the transfer of powers or the free movement of people who actually aren't here to work.

wrong

I am supporting UKIP because they appear to have common sense and are anti wind power

the EU is irrelevant to me

[steveT350C]

McWigglebum4th said:

RedTrident said:

Without the Europe position UKIP is nothing. I'm sure we'll see the Tories make good publicity out of the referendum promise and we'll see UKIP as a political party end up without one single MP. Not that it would matter, we probably would never have the debate we're having nor the referendum without them.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who can't work out why a trade agreement has to also include the transfer of powers or the free movement of people who actually aren't here to work.

wrong

I am supporting UKIP because they appear to have common sense and are anti wind power

the EU is irrelevant to me

My Parents have swapped from the Tories to UKIP primarily as UKIP are the only Party who think HS2 is bonkers.

[porridge]

Turn7 said:

Amen to that....

Trouble is, Im not convinced NF and pals wont get their noses in the trough once they see whats to be had....

Nigel could have had his nose in the trough a long time ago seeing as both a MEP and also in total control of his party, so in a triumph I don't see any change in him personally.