UKIP - The Future - Volume 2
Discussion
johnfm said:
I think in the Farage phone in the telegraph ran he is asked.
I expect you can see the whole hour phone in on the Telegraph.
It is very very refreshing to see a politician answering questions and, when he doesn't know, saying "I don't know".
Sadly, we are saddled with Milliband and Cameron or their ilk for the foreseeable - centre left, tax and spend professional politicians who make decisions whose outcomes do not effect them one iota.
Even if voting UKIP brings nothing more the Cameron and millibrain saying "I don't know" to a question in public it will be worth itI expect you can see the whole hour phone in on the Telegraph.
It is very very refreshing to see a politician answering questions and, when he doesn't know, saying "I don't know".
Sadly, we are saddled with Milliband and Cameron or their ilk for the foreseeable - centre left, tax and spend professional politicians who make decisions whose outcomes do not effect them one iota.
seems like "our Nige" has been copying his election manifesto...
"The Budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed, lest Rome will become bankrupt. People must again learn to work instead of living on public assistance."
Mind you if you're going to copy then you may as well do it from one of the best.... that was Cicero, 55 BC
"The Budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed, lest Rome will become bankrupt. People must again learn to work instead of living on public assistance."
Mind you if you're going to copy then you may as well do it from one of the best.... that was Cicero, 55 BC
irocfan said:
that was Cicero, 55 BC
Urban legend according to Snopes.Meanwhile for the first time in a Westminster seat poll, courtesy of Survation: Ukip top General Election poll in Eastleigh with 32%, ahead of the Conservatives on 28% and the Lib Dems on 27%.
Ladbrokes with 2/1 for UKIP in Eastleigh, evens on UKIP to win a seat in 2015.
Edited by jagnet on Sunday 20th April 12:40
johnfm said:
10 Pence Short said:
Guam said:
Thats a matter for them, although I am on record as stating I would vote for their exit if I was given the mandate.
What is UKIP's policy on Scottish independence? Is it yes or no?I expect you can see the whole hour phone in on the Telegraph.
It is very very refreshing to see a politician answering questions and, when he doesn't know, saying "I don't know".
Sadly, we are saddled with Milliband and Cameron or their ilk for the foreseeable - centre left, tax and spend professional politicians who make decisions whose outcomes do not effect them one iota.
Eastleigh could be in track to give UKIP at least one MP in 2015
http://www.eastleighnews.co.uk/2014/04/ukip-top-ge...
http://www.eastleighnews.co.uk/2014/04/ukip-top-ge...
I am against nearly every one of UKIP policies.... but
Farage is a small ray of sunshine in a dank political cave. I do think that he believes what he says, and is about as honest as one can expect any politico to be.
If nothing else UKIP might actually force others to engage in a decent, adult discussion of EU membership.
I do think that it is naive to not understand that the eventual goal of the EU founders was to create a Federal Europe.
I am one of those Brits who has massively benefited from the ability to move/ live/work without restriction through all the EU countries, and to be able to live where I choose in the EU. I would not want those freedoms to be curtailed in any way. I like the fact that I can move between EU countries ( the UK apart) and not have to change my Bank account, or pay currency fees, or have any border hassles. I can get from my home to Barcelona in just over an hour by TGV, with no border control. Given all of that, It is also important that parties like UKIP are able to give voice to folks who are unrepresented at the moment. UKIP is far more value as a party than the Lib Dems .
And for those who think that all europeans are pro EU, Le Pen (and her party) is gaining in popularity here, but most of their anger is directed at the immigrants from Africa and could be well considered very racist.
Farage is a small ray of sunshine in a dank political cave. I do think that he believes what he says, and is about as honest as one can expect any politico to be.
If nothing else UKIP might actually force others to engage in a decent, adult discussion of EU membership.
I do think that it is naive to not understand that the eventual goal of the EU founders was to create a Federal Europe.
I am one of those Brits who has massively benefited from the ability to move/ live/work without restriction through all the EU countries, and to be able to live where I choose in the EU. I would not want those freedoms to be curtailed in any way. I like the fact that I can move between EU countries ( the UK apart) and not have to change my Bank account, or pay currency fees, or have any border hassles. I can get from my home to Barcelona in just over an hour by TGV, with no border control. Given all of that, It is also important that parties like UKIP are able to give voice to folks who are unrepresented at the moment. UKIP is far more value as a party than the Lib Dems .
And for those who think that all europeans are pro EU, Le Pen (and her party) is gaining in popularity here, but most of their anger is directed at the immigrants from Africa and could be well considered very racist.
santona1937 said:
steveT350C said:
Santona1937, just out of interest, which UKIP policy, or policies, do you agree with? 
None, at least none that I can find "I am against nearly every one of UKIP policies...."
santona1937 said:
I am against nearly every one of UKIP policies.... but
Farage is a small ray of sunshine in a dank political cave. I do think that he believes what he says, and is about as honest as one can expect any politico to be.
Is that not UKIP's conundrum? Likeable to some demographics, but short of the substance to convince them it's worth a vote in a general election?Farage is a small ray of sunshine in a dank political cave. I do think that he believes what he says, and is about as honest as one can expect any politico to be.
10 Pence Short said:
steveT350C said:
UKIP want Scotland to remain part of the UK
Why shouldn't Scotland be able to have independence? I thought the ideas behind UKIP were that self determination was all important?UKIP want Scotland to stay part of the UK. That is UKIP's choice, although to be honest it is not high on UKIP agenda.
If your choice is to be argumentative, that is, I guess your choice. Happy Easter!
10 Pence Short said:
Is that not UKIP's conundrum? Likeable to some demographics, but short of the substance to convince them it's worth a vote in a general election?
Isnt that a result of ukips relatively short time in politics though rather than anything else?The other nobs have been at this lark since year dot and have gotten it down to a tee so its unsurprising.
These things take time.
Ukip when it first appeared on the scene was feted as being a nothing party, a protest vote but just look at the polling figures now, not this parliament, not next but eventually things will swing their way as more and more people see the othrs for what they are- unworthy of your vote.
10 Pence Short said:
UKIP were founded in 1993. I would have thought in 21 years they might have developed some detailed policies
I would have thought in over 8 years and nearly 31,000 posts on PH you ought to have been able to construct a slightly more robust ant-UKIP statement
Edited by steveT350C on Sunday 20th April 20:42
10 Pence Short said:
UKIP were founded in 1993. I would have thought in 21 years they might have developed some detailed policies
You can't even get that right. They were founded in 1991 by Dr Alan Sked as the Anti Federalist League. He had been converted to Euroscepticism in the 80s at the LSE and after reading "endless MA theses" on the European project he realised the project was completely mad.
He thought the anti Federalist league would be the modern equivalent of the anti-Corn law league.
In those days it was a set of academics who weren't really interested in fighting elections and didn't have a clue how to go about it.
Over the years there has been so much strife and false starts as UKIP went through the pains any emergent party must go through that it's only in recent years that it can be truly called a political party. For example the Kilroy Silk and Lord Pearson fiasco.
Most of the years there have been no resources.
If you are going to continue 10PS get your facts right and present them in a reasonably objective fashion if you wish to be heard.
10 Pence Short said:
UKIP were founded in 1993. I would have thought in 21 years they might have developed some detailed policies
As a matter of interest, could you point us to a policy of one (or more) of the main parties' policies that you find attractive?I only ask because you are beginning to sound a bit repetitive.
10 Pence Short said:
FiF said:
You can't even get that right.
They were founded in 1991 by Dr Alan Sked as the Anti Federalist League.
And when did they become 'UKIP'? 1993, by any chance?They were founded in 1991 by Dr Alan Sked as the Anti Federalist League.
Taking you at your date, that means they've had 23 years and no policies.
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