UKIP - The Future - Volume 2

[mrpurple]

dandarez said:

mrpurple said:

I think NF is playing a blinder and the MSM are falling for it hook line and sinker.

Turned the telly on last night:

NF defends UKIP posters that some consider racist..headlines ITV news @ 10.

NF employs German wife............headlines BBC 10 pm news.

Just a guess but probably same on Sky etc

How much would it cost a company to place this amount of ads at prime viewing time on so many channels?

I bet NF is looking forward to the next non story hitting the headlines

mrpurple please don't abbreviate Farage to his initials, some 'clever dick' on here will mix him up with that racist party.

Use his full name, Nigel Farage, they simply can't stand it!

My apologies you are right I should have written Nigel Farage.... although my 85 yr old MIL calls him our Nige

[santona1937]

I can see that UKIP might hoover up some , if not a fair number, of working class traditional Labour voters, and immigrant votes. Immigrants have long been very mindful of new immigrant populations, and Working Class Britain is not being represented by the newer more centrist Labour. UKIP might have a very interesting mix of supporters.
UKIP may in fact be a real coalition all by itself.
one should remember that the Far left is not liberal at all.
Marine Le Pen, the French Equal to Farage, attracted many communist and blue collar voters in the last presidential elections. THe French NF is more developed than UKIP, so perhaps it is an indicator of where UKIP might be headed.
LE Pen is anti EU, anti free trade, pro heavy state involvement in industries vital to France, pro protectionism, pro french jobs for french folks, anti euro zone. There is much more a sense of racist overtones in LE Pen, but France is much less multi cultural than the UK, and it is hard to be a part of society without adopting French values and mores.

[Timsta]

santona1937 said:

THe French NF is more developed than UKIP, so perhaps it is an indicator of where UKIP might be headed.

Let's see just how stupid that statement is:

The USSR Communist party was more developed than Labour, so perhaps it is an indicator of where Labour might be heading.


Yeah, that seems entirely logical.

[einsign]

don4l said:

I just caught a UKIP party political on the telly.

I must say that Nigel is looking much more professional these days. His confidence levels have probably taken a real boost after his universally acclaimed performances in the debates with Nick Clegg.

UKIP Party Election Broadcast:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aARKlOOypaQ

[longblackcoat]

don4l said:

WinstonWolf said:

He came across well, good to see the multicultural angle too, it might help to quieten the usual suspects.

It won't.

They are all afflicted with extreme cognitive dissonance. They will switch off the telly as soon as he says something that they agree with.

Zod's recent posts are a classic example.

It doesn't matter how many immigrants (like me) support UKIP, they still trot out the utterly discredited "racist" card.

Farage is not a racist, but that does not mean that there aren't still many, many reasons for people to dislike him.

[irocfan]

Timsta said:

santona1937 said:

THe French NF is more developed than UKIP, so perhaps it is an indicator of where UKIP might be headed.

Let's see just how stupid that statement is:

The USSR Communist party was more developed than Labour, so perhaps it is an indicator of where Labour might be heading.


Yeah, that seems entirely logical.

actually if they could have gotten away with it....

[longblackcoat]

Timsta said:

Let's see just how stupid that statement is:

The USSR Communist party was more developed than Labour, so perhaps it is an indicator of where Labour might be heading.


Yeah, that seems entirely logical.

Agreed, but remember that we've had people on this very site trying to argue that Labour and the Nazis are effectively the same thing are one and the same because the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei had the word 'socialist' in its title.

Never underestimate PH.......

[santona1937]

irocfan said:

Timsta said:

santona1937 said:

THe French NF is more developed than UKIP, so perhaps it is an indicator of where UKIP might be headed.

Let's see just how stupid that statement is:

The USSR Communist party was more developed than Labour, so perhaps it is an indicator of where Labour might be heading.


Yeah, that seems entirely logical.

actually if they could have gotten away with it....

except that UKIP and the FN have pretty much the same policies. You can read the FN manifesto and think it was UKIP

[einsign]

longblackcoat said:

still many, many reasons for people to dislike him.

Like what exactly, what is the reason to dislike anyone for that matter. You dont really know him as a person other than what we all see in the media.

Do you like the other party leaders because they are better actors, is this what is important to you perhaps?

[league67]

HonestIago said:

Nick Robinson's interview with Farage was absolutely pathetic. The funny thing is the MSM still don't realise that the more they demonise/insult/patronise UKIP, the more people flock to them!

Was it pathetic because you don't agree with it? He didn't demonize or insult or patronize our Nige, he politely asked questions. Out of those 26Mil chasing UK jobs, (or as Nige said 'hundreds of thousands') nobody else was qualified because, err, only she can answer emails at 2am.
I really doubt that NR was concerned about people flocking or not flocking to UKIP. His job as a journalist is to ask questions.

If it was any other politician, you'd be probably laughing. Quite rightly. But, it's Nige, he can do no wrong.
Here is a suggestion. Whenever you think someone is unfair to NF/UKIP ask yourself would you think if it's unfair if the same was applied to any other party / leader / public figure. It's common sense.

While on the subject, do you think it's ok to run posters clearly designed to play on people's fears?

Edit to add; Why do you think that voting against equal pay for women is hilarious?

Edited by league67 on Wednesday 23 April 21:49

[league67]

don4l said:

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They are all afflicted with extreme cognitive dissonance.

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Ah finally, you found the box in which to put EVERYONE who disagrees with UKIP/NF. Well done. Such sweeping generalization is obviously true. Simple solutions to simple problems, eh.

[don4l]

league67 said:

While on the subject, do you think it's ok to run posters clearly designed to play on people's fears?

I'm gobsmacked.

Utterly, utterly gobsmacked.

As JAYB would say

...Jesus Christ!

[league67]

don4l said:

I'm gobsmacked.

Utterly, utterly gobsmacked.

As JAYB would say

...Jesus Christ!

It's ok, whenever you ungobsmack yourself, feel free to answer the question.

[FiF]

league67 said:

he politely asked questions.

No he didn't. If you'd been there you'd know that he didn't.

On your way. Next

[otolith]

league67 said:

While on the subject, do you think it's ok to run posters clearly designed to play on people's fears?

[Mojocvh]

santona1937 said:

irocfan said:

Timsta said:

santona1937 said:

THe French NF is more developed than UKIP, so perhaps it is an indicator of where UKIP might be headed.

Let's see just how stupid that statement is:

The USSR Communist party was more developed than Labour, so perhaps it is an indicator of where Labour might be heading.


Yeah, that seems entirely logical.

actually if they could have gotten away with it....

except that UKIP and the FN have pretty much the same policies. You can read the FN manifesto and think it was UKIP

Are you French? because if you are not, I very much doubt that you can actually understand the proper nuances of that "NF" manifesto......

[PRTVR]

league67 said:

While on the subject, do you think it's ok to run posters clearly designed to play on people's fears?

People have fears already, all the poster does is show them in a pictorial media,
Fear as a political tool appears the norm and has been for many years, the lib dems appear to be pushing the fear of massive job losses if we pull out of the EU.

[otolith]

Mojocvh said:

Are you French? because if you are not, I very much doubt that you can actually understand the proper nuances of that "NF" manifesto......

He will fail to hear the sifflets à ultrason pour chiens?

[league67]

FiF said:

No he didn't. If you'd been there you'd know that he didn't.

On your way. Next

Ah the beauty of internet and video. I didn't need to be there.
Your opinion is obviously correct.
Delusion of grandeur is always entertaining. Lightweight.

[league67]

otolith said:

All equally bad. Not better not worse. Beyond criticism. Every single one of them. Please tell me that there is another point apart from; 'Oh they were all doing it too'.