UKIP - The Future - Volume 2

[Einion Yrth]

FiF said:

McWigglebum4th said:

FiF said:

On the perennial "Vote UKIP get Miliband" cry aiming to create FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) seems as if that might not be that effective in all cases.

From Ashcroft's recent poll, Mike Smithson www.politicalbetting.com drew this.




Vote UKIP get a LAB government might not be the compelling general election message that CON campaigners think it is.

there is only one reason they got that result is down to biased questions

Who can deny if they had an option for

"the bunch of idiots vanish in a puff of smoke never to be seen again"

We would have VERY different results

Not sure where you get biased questions from.

Follow the links to the full tables for the Ashcroft poll and see table 13.

Selectable options were the most likely.

Yes there could have been options to pick unlikely things such as LD -UKIP coalition or even a majority govt by either of those, or even an option for Ed Balls to be beamed up by alien lizards and given a good probing. Ain't going to happen and just creates irrelevant noise.

So a fair question imo.

Dunno but I'd have thought that amongst UKIP voters, at least some, when asked their preferred GE2015 outcome, would have opted for "UKIP majority".

[FiF]

Einion Yrth said:

Dunno but I'd have thought that amongst UKIP voters, at least some, when asked their preferred GE2015 outcome, would have opted for "UKIP majority".

Yes but the point is that isn't going to happen. With the best will in the world, it isn't, is it?

Of course he could have given that as an option, or a LD majority, or Raving Looney majority, or whatever. It would have just muddied waters.

[Einion Yrth]

FiF said:

Einion Yrth said:

Dunno but I'd have thought that amongst UKIP voters, at least some, when asked their preferred GE2015 outcome, would have opted for "UKIP majority".

Yes but the point is that isn't going to happen. With the best will in the world, it isn't, is it?

Of course he could have given that as an option, or a LD majority, or Raving Looney majority, or whatever. It would have just muddied waters.

Then the question should have been "from the following options please pick the one that least makes you want to puke." or something similar, otherwise I fail to see how it can be a "preferred" option if your preference isn't available.

[FiF]

Don't agree with your point frankly. If, instead of giving realistically possible outcomes, the options included those that were theoretically possible but extremely unlikely then the picture in that case would be fairly similar as the voting intention, surely?

At least this way it's in the real world somewhere.

[FiF]

Art0ir said:

I see Cameron and Milliband are trying to out do eachother on the immigration front today, bloody racists.

And the EU already questioning if it's legal and promising to put it under close scrutiny once final details known.

What's the betting it doesn't ultimately go anywhere.

[mrpurple]

FiF said:

Art0ir said:

I see Cameron and Milliband are trying to out do eachother on the immigration front today, bloody racists.

And the EU already questioning if it's legal and promising to put it under close scrutiny once final details known.

What's the betting it doesn't ultimately go anywhere.

And there was silly me thinking that EU law stated all EU citizens "must" have equal access to welfare and benefits.

[steveT350C]

UKIP's immigration spokesman in the Spectator.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/07/u...

[RYH64E]

mrpurple said:

And there was silly me thinking that EU law stated all EU citizens "must" have equal access to welfare and benefits.

Easy answer, restrict access to benefits for our home grown underclass as well.

[Zod]

RYH64E said:

mrpurple said:

And there was silly me thinking that EU law stated all EU citizens "must" have equal access to welfare and benefits.

Easy answer, restrict access to benefits for our home grown underclass as well.

That would upset Polly Toynbee.

[Einion Yrth]

Zod said:

RYH64E said:

mrpurple said:

And there was silly me thinking that EU law stated all EU citizens "must" have equal access to welfare and benefits.

Easy answer, restrict access to benefits for our home grown underclass as well.

That would upset Polly Toynbee.

A potential added bonus then.

[steveT350C]

mrpurple said:

FiF said:

Art0ir said:

I see Cameron and Milliband are trying to out do eachother on the immigration front today, bloody racists.

And the EU already questioning if it's legal and promising to put it under close scrutiny once final details known.

What's the betting it doesn't ultimately go anywhere.

And there was silly me thinking that EU law stated all EU citizens "must" have equal access to welfare and benefits.

Some more details from Farage.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-far...

[FiF]

steveT350C said:

mrpurple said:

FiF said:

Art0ir said:

I see Cameron and Milliband are trying to out do eachother on the immigration front today, bloody racists.

And the EU already questioning if it's legal and promising to put it under close scrutiny once final details known.

What's the betting it doesn't ultimately go anywhere.

And there was silly me thinking that EU law stated all EU citizens "must" have equal access to welfare and benefits.

Some more details from Farage.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-far...

Must admit he expresses my thoughts.

No mention of in work, housing or other benefits. Plus if he changes these he has to change them for everyone according to the law.

Not sure he is that politically naive, or is he?

While on the subject of immigration, which fyi, isn't that high on my personal radar, but did anyone watch the TV programmes on immigration by Nick Hewer and Margaret Mountford?

[FiF]

Conservative Home asking why won't Cameron come clean on his immigration crackdown window dressing

[Art0ir]

FiF said:

Conservative Home asking why won't Cameron come clean on his immigration crackdown window dressing

That went well then.

[FiF]

Art0ir said:

FiF said:

Conservative Home asking why won't Cameron come clean on his immigration crackdown window dressing

That went well then.

Indeed, one has to wonder who the hell is giving him advice, and how much are they being paid to do it, because even if it is only a bag of beans they are overpaid.

[brenflys777]

Art0ir said:

FiF said:

Conservative Home asking why won't Cameron come clean on his immigration crackdown window dressing

That went well then.

I think every party has it's steadfast supporters. Labour supporters who weathered Blairs policies, Conservative supporters who will tolerate anyone to avoid Labour, UKIP supporters who would forgive anything the party does or says. These supporters will see the bigger picture and ignore changes with a Wombat like resolve.

I think this latest sound bite from Cameron is another example of vulnerability. Whilst the other main parties have those steadfast supporters, Cameron and the conservatives seem more desperate or perhaps reliant on them. I think they can see abandonment of a significant number of these 'guaranteed' votes. To avoid defeat or coalition the conservatives need to attract new blood.

UKIP support seems to come from a wide and growing spectrum, Labour has it's solid anti Tory base, but the conservatives seem to be taking a leaf out of Labours Chukka's play book and tried to claim that more controlled immigration is possible and desirable but anyone else is racist. Cameron needs substance to attract new people, this just seems like more of the same, whilst anecdotally conservative diehards I know from the police and airlines seem to be migrating to UKIP.

[steveT350C]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/491594/1-7m-a-mon...

[league67]

Express really knows their audience.

[longblackcoat]

Guam said:

If this turns out to be true Ed has just committed electoral suicide.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/493882/OUTR...

The key word being if.

Still, no reason for Express hysteria to be held back. Who needs facts?

[powerstroke]

longblackcoat said:

Guam said:

If this turns out to be true Ed has just committed electoral suicide.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/493882/OUTR...

The key word being if.

Still, no reason for Express hysteria to be held back. Who needs facts?

Yes but labour will always tax the responsible so I doubt its that far from
the truth .