UKIP - The Future - Volume 2

[HonestIago]

avinalarf said:

Cameron has a very strong hand with his mantra "Vote UKIP get Labour".
I for one am afraid that this might be true,any ideas what UKIP can say to counter these fears ?

UKIP have a much better chance than the Tories in many Northern constituencies, ergo it's more a case of Vote Tory, get Labour.

[Esseesse]

avinalarf said:

Cameron has a very strong hand with his mantra "Vote UKIP get Labour".
I for one am afraid that this might be true,any ideas what UKIP can say to counter these fears ?

When the main argument you have is scaremongering about the opposition getting in rather than why you're electable then your hand seems pretty weak to me.

[avinalarf]

Esseesse said:

avinalarf said:

Cameron has a very strong hand with his mantra "Vote UKIP get Labour".
I for one am afraid that this might be true,any ideas what UKIP can say to counter these fears ?

When the main argument you have is scaremongering about the opposition getting in rather than why you're electable then your hand seems pretty weak to me.

A comment but not one that really addresses my question.
Scaremongering it might be but it does not change the relevance of my question.

[steveT350C]

avinalarf said:

Cameron has a very strong hand with his mantra "Vote UKIP get Labour".
I for one am afraid that this might be true,any ideas what UKIP can say to counter these fears ?

You have a simple choice; vote LibLabConEu, or vote UKIP.

[Esseesse]

avinalarf said:

Esseesse said:

avinalarf said:

Cameron has a very strong hand with his mantra "Vote UKIP get Labour".
I for one am afraid that this might be true,any ideas what UKIP can say to counter these fears ?

When the main argument you have is scaremongering about the opposition getting in rather than why you're electable then your hand seems pretty weak to me.

A comment but not one that really addresses my question.
Scaremongering it might be but it does not change the relevance of my question.

Sorry, I was just saying that I disagree with the context of your question, I was not trying to answer the question.

Assuming you're right that Cameron has a strong hand, then I'd imagine that UKIP could equally well say that by voting Conservative you get Labour. And they could tell Labour voters that by voting Labour they will not be getting the classic Labour party that they desire.

[Wombat3]

steveT350C said:

avinalarf said:

Cameron has a very strong hand with his mantra "Vote UKIP get Labour".
I for one am afraid that this might be true,any ideas what UKIP can say to counter these fears ?

You have a simple choice; vote LibLabConEu, or vote UKIP.

To suggest that the Labour's position going into the 2015 election on a range of issues (starting with the economy and including the EU) bears any resemblance to that of the Tories or the LDs is , frankly, risible nonsense. It has about as much basis in fact as Salmond's position on Scottish independence, the EU and a Currency Union, which was, as we all know, a pack of lies generated because he had nothing else truthful to offer either!

[powerstroke]

Esseesse said:

avinalarf said:

Cameron has a very strong hand with his mantra "Vote UKIP get Labour".
I for one am afraid that this might be true,any ideas what UKIP can say to counter these fears ?

When the main argument you have is scaremongering about the opposition getting in rather than why you're electable then your hand seems pretty weak to me.

But surely you must have realized by now are supposed to vote for the least worst option not policy' so the blue and red ties get there turn..

[steveT350C]

Wombat3 said:

steveT350C said:

avinalarf said:

Cameron has a very strong hand with his mantra "Vote UKIP get Labour".
I for one am afraid that this might be true,any ideas what UKIP can say to counter these fears ?

You have a simple choice; vote LibLabConEu, or vote UKIP.

To suggest that the Labour's position going into the 2015 election on a range of issues (starting with the economy and including the EU) bears any resemblance to that of the Tories or the LDs is , frankly, risible nonsense. It has about as much basis in fact as Salmond's position on Scottish independence, the EU and a Currency Union, which was, as we all know, a pack of lies generated because he had nothing else truthful to offer either!

Libdems, labour and the Cons, and now you mention him, Salmond, all want to be part of the EU. UKIP don't.

[don4l]

avinalarf said:

Cameron has a very strong hand with his mantra "Vote UKIP get Labour".
I for one am afraid that this might be true,any ideas what UKIP can say to counter these fears ?

Nonsense!

In roughly half of the country people would never return a Conservative MP. There are many constituencies that are safe Labour seats. In these constituencies, a vote for the Conservatives lets Labour in.

The forthcoming by-election in Heywood and Middleton Constituency will see UKIP as the only credible alternative to Labour.

There are hundreds of seat like this.

[avinalarf]

don4l said:

avinalarf said:

Cameron has a very strong hand with his mantra "Vote UKIP get Labour".
I for one am afraid that this might be true,any ideas what UKIP can say to counter these fears ?

Nonsense!

In roughly half of the country people would never return a Conservative MP. There are many constituencies that are safe Labour seats. In these constituencies, a vote for the Conservatives lets Labour in.

The forthcoming by-election in Heywood and Middleton Constituency will see UKIP as the only credible alternative to Labour.

There are hundreds of seat like this.

You may have misinterpreted my comment.
I meant that Cameron's comment strengthened his hand when it came for someone like myself in my constituency,or similar,to vote UKIP,for fear of letting in Labour.
I was obviously not referring to those constituencies that were Labour strongholds.

[Tyre Smoke]

I see Plymouth Sutton and Devonport is one of the most likely to change colour come the GE. I simply cannot see it becoming purple. Brenda Gilroy is useless as an MP, or she was for the old Falmouth Camborne constituency, but Devonport is strong Labour territory and Sutton is strongish Tory territory. Both will vote traditionally, I would think. Ukip will probably pick up more than the 2800ish they got last time, but no way will they overturn either of the other two's circa 13k. Or are Ukip hoping to steal all 10k of the Libdems votes?

[Scuffers]

Tyre Smoke said:

I see Plymouth Sutton and Devonport is one of the most likely to change colour come the GE. I simply cannot see it becoming purple. Brenda Gilroy is useless as an MP, or she was for the old Falmouth Camborne constituency, but Devonport is strong Labour territory and Sutton is strongish Tory territory. Both will vote traditionally, I would think. Ukip will probably pick up more than the 2800ish they got last time, but no way will they overturn either of the other two's circa 13k. Or are Ukip hoping to steal all 10k of the Libdems votes?

ignoring the rest, I would suggest that's a pretty strong possibility don't you think?

on a lighter note, you all seen the paddy power video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXhLMIDscTI

now, that's style!

[IainT]

avinalarf said:

You may have misinterpreted my comment.
I meant that Cameron's comment strengthened his hand when it came for someone like myself in my constituency,or similar,to vote UKIP,for fear of letting in Labour.
I was obviously not referring to those constituencies that were Labour strongholds.

My constituency - Staffordshire Moorlands swapped in 2010 from Labour to Conservative.

	1997	2005	2010
Cons	32.55	35.5	45.2
Lab	52.21	15.7	29.9
UKIP	-	7.9	8.2

It looks like the Tories strengthened and UKIP took votes from Labour. My concern next year would be a swing back to Labour and UKIP removing the Conservative win. There's no way I'd vote for them even if I thought they had viable policies. They would, however, be my vote in a strong Labout area where Conservatives were nowhere.

[Wombat3]

Tinfoil hats on chaps!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2769560/Pr...

[IainT]

Wombat3 said:

Tinfoil hats on chaps!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2769560/Pr...

Delusional. Utterly delusional.

[FiF]

Be amusing if Farage launches a couple of Tomohawks programmed with the latest defectors. Which is not beyond the possibilities.

Personally think he should just have buttoned it and got on with the conference. Cameron will balls something up soon, he invariably does.

[Scuffers]

I do find it interesting that the whole story lacks a single quote from Nigel to that effect..

I am sure some have raised an eyebrow, but I fond it hard to believe that as a party UKIP have said anything of the sort.

but then again, don't let that get in the way of a good smear!

[ralphrj]

Scuffers said:

I do find it interesting that the whole story lacks a single quote from Nigel to that effect..

I am sure some have raised an eyebrow, but I fond it hard to believe that as a party UKIP have said anything of the sort.

but then again, don't let that get in the way of a good smear!

The story is on the BBC website complete with quotes made by Farage to the BBC.

[steveT350C]

Wombat3 said:

Tinfoil hats on chaps!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2769560/Pr...

Tweeted by Suuzanne Evans yesterday. I am sure it's just a coincidence.

@SuzanneEvans1: UK security threat level raised day after #Carswell defection & Cameron recalls Parliament to coincide with day 1 #UKIPConf14 #Transparent

I have been impressed with Evans up until this tweet. I am sure it is frustrating as UKIP are on a role and after Milliband's performance UKIP were hoping for maximum press coverage of their conference.

Should have kept quiet though as nothing more serious than deciding whether or not to start dropping bombs.

[Esseesse]

ralphrj said:

Scuffers said:

I do find it interesting that the whole story lacks a single quote from Nigel to that effect..

I am sure some have raised an eyebrow, but I fond it hard to believe that as a party UKIP have said anything of the sort.

but then again, don't let that get in the way of a good smear!

The story is on the BBC website complete with quotes made by Farage to the BBC.

Whether there's anything in it or not (and I'm not suggesting there is), what that story has done is reminded me that Farage is making a speech at the UKIP conference on Friday (tomorrow??). Perhaps they all know it's tinfoil hattery but want to make sure of a mention before tomorrow?

I had forgotten about it, I had previously only registered that they were having one some time this autumn like everyone else.