UKIP - The Future - Volume 2

[Einion Yrth]

Zod said:

o sensitive.

I happen to have been acquainted with this man. He is an odious character.

His defection and its manner change nothing in that respect.

You know, I'm more inclined to trust the judgement of Carswell and Hannan, both of whom are good friends of Reckless, than some bitter troll on the internet. Any other MPs you've met and disliked that you'd like to tell us about, before the fact as it were?

[mrpurple]

don4l said:

I'd hate to be a senior Tory reading that article.

He proves that many of us were absolutely correct when we said that Cameron had no intentio of re-negotiating our terms of membership of the EU.

There is no "line in the sand". There never was any line in the sand. Under Cameron, there never will be a line in the sand.

I'm beginning to wonder if Cameron will be leading the Tories into the next election.

Even simple little me can see he has not, and never has had, any real intention of re-negotiating.....all smoke and mirrors that even David Blunkett could see.

I think he is looking for an excuse to step down and as I have a little charity bet with Womby IIRC, if for no other reason, I hope he goes before the next GE.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/28/david-c...

Edited by mrpurple on Sunday 28th September 12:24

[0a]

Zod said:

o sensitive.

I happen to have been acquainted with this man. He is an odious character.

His defection and its manner change nothing in that respect.

It is interesting how you chose not to mention this until the precise moment the chap stops being a Tory...

[sjn2004]

0a said:

Zod said:

o sensitive.

I happen to have been acquainted with this man. He is an odious character.

His defection and its manner change nothing in that respect.

It is interesting how you chose not to mention this until the precise moment the chap stops being a Tory...

Tory activist on the rocks!

[FiF]

Einion Yrth said:

Zod said:

o sensitive.

I happen to have been acquainted with this man. He is an odious character.

His defection and its manner change nothing in that respect.

You know, I'm more inclined to trust the judgement of Carswell and Hannan, both of whom are good friends of Reckless, than some bitter troll on the internet. Any other MPs you've met and disliked that you'd like to tell us about, before the fact as it were?

Spot on. Clearly the accusation of hypocrisy touched a nerve. Cap fits and all that.

[Mojocvh]

FiF said:

Einion Yrth said:

Zod said:

o sensitive.

I happen to have been acquainted with this man. He is an odious character.

His defection and its manner change nothing in that respect.

You know, I'm more inclined to trust the judgement of Carswell and Hannan, both of whom are good friends of Reckless, than some bitter troll on the internet. Any other MPs you've met and disliked that you'd like to tell us about, before the fact as it were?

Spot on. Clearly the accusation of hypocrisy touched a nerve. Cap fits and all that.

Is he odious when Sober or when Drunk, we have to know, Zod.

[FiF]

Farage claiming that the WAG tax on luxuries was only a discussion point and not policy while he's leader.

Which is fair enough as I didn't like it in the first place and said so.

Whether it genuinely was just a discussion point or is a U turn matters a lot or not dependent upon the personal view. Every political party floats ideas. Some when in government manage to enact them and then have to pull a U-ey. Laughs at David Cameron and boy George.

[0a]

— Daniel Hannan (@DanHannanMEP)
September 28, 2014
I have immense respect for @MarkReckless as an MP and as a friend. I wish him all the best, but I won't be following him to UKIP.

[don4l]

0a said:

— Daniel Hannan (@DanHannanMEP)
September 28, 2014
I have immense respect for @MarkReckless as an MP and as a friend. I wish him all the best, but I won't be following him to UKIP.

I really hope that he changes his mind.

Daniel Hannan would be a fantastic asset, and I get the impression that he would be happier supporting UKIP policies than the current Tory party.

[0a]

Guardian said:

David Cameron willing to recommend vote to leave EU in referendum

David Cameron has indicated that he would be prepared to recommend to the British people that they should vote to leave the EU if he fails to secure major changes to Britain’s membership terms after a Tory victory in next year’s general election.

Amid renewed pressure on the prime minister over Europe after Mark Reckless became the second Conservative MP to defect to the anti-EU Ukip, Cameron said he was confident he would change the rules of benefits in the EU and would secure a British opt-out from the EU’s founding declaration to create an “ever closer union”.

But Cameron, who dismissed the defection of Reckless as “counter-productive and rather senseless”, indicated he might be prepared to recommend a no vote in his planned EU membership referendum in 2017.

Link

Hmmm, I'll wait and see. What's the betting that the 'concessions' (in reality nothing) the PM manages to get will just swing it in favour of him recommending a yes vote...

Anyway we're starting to see some movement from the Tories.

[DJRC]

Einion Yrth said:

Zod said:

o sensitive.

I happen to have been acquainted with this man. He is an odious character.

His defection and its manner change nothing in that respect.

You know, I'm more inclined to trust the judgement of Carswell and Hannan, both of whom are good friends of Reckless, than some bitter troll on the internet. Any other MPs you've met and disliked that you'd like to tell us about, before the fact as it were?

To be fair to Zod...he knew the bloke because he worked with him. Wouldn't on this case it require others to have worked with him to gain said knowledge?

[Einion Yrth]

DJRC said:

Einion Yrth said:

Zod said:

o sensitive.

I happen to have been acquainted with this man. He is an odious character.

His defection and its manner change nothing in that respect.

You know, I'm more inclined to trust the judgement of Carswell and Hannan, both of whom are good friends of Reckless, than some bitter troll on the internet. Any other MPs you've met and disliked that you'd like to tell us about, before the fact as it were?

To be fair to Zod...he knew the bloke because he worked with him. Wouldn't on this case it require others to have worked with him to gain said knowledge?

He and Hannan were each others best men. Draw your own conclusions.

[FiF]

0a said:

Guardian said:

David Cameron willing to recommend vote to leave EU in referendum

David Cameron has indicated that he would be prepared to recommend to the British people that they should vote to leave the EU if he fails to secure major changes to Britain’s membership terms after a Tory victory in next year’s general election.

Amid renewed pressure on the prime minister over Europe after Mark Reckless became the second Conservative MP to defect to the anti-EU Ukip, Cameron said he was confident he would change the rules of benefits in the EU and would secure a British opt-out from the EU’s founding declaration to create an “ever closer union”.

But Cameron, who dismissed the defection of Reckless as “counter-productive and rather senseless”, indicated he might be prepared to recommend a no vote in his planned EU membership referendum in 2017.

Link

Hmmm, I'll wait and see. What's the betting that the 'concessions' (in reality nothing) the PM manages to get will just swing it in favour of him recommending a yes vote...

Anyway we're starting to see some movement from the Tories.

But see elsewhere in that article. He is already saying that restrictions would only apply to new member states who would then get full access when their economies had reached a certain level.

So basically nothing then.

Cameron weasel words. Bin him. Christ I would rather have Miliband than that prat.

[BJG1]

steveT350C said:

You can't think? I suggest you vote LibLabConEU then.

A bit needlessly agressive. I don't like the other options either, but I also don't think a party who didn't want to let gay people marry and want to up the defence budget ahead of helping people is the answer.

[steveT350C]

F

BJG1 said:

steveT350C said:

You can't think? I suggest you vote LibLabConEU then.

A bit needlessly agressive. I don't like the other options either, but I also don't think a party who didn't want to let gay people marry and want to up the defence budget ahead of helping people is the answer.

I apologise if I came across a bit aggressive.

Do you know why UKIP were against the gay marriage law?

[dandarez]

fluffnik said:

dandarez said:

Farage now more popular than the PM according to this morning's papers.

To be fair, ebola is more popular than the PM...

[dandarez]

don4l said:

0a said:

— Daniel Hannan (@DanHannanMEP)
September 28, 2014
I have immense respect for @MarkReckless as an MP and as a friend. I wish him all the best, but I won't be following him to UKIP.

I really hope that he changes his mind.

Daniel Hannan would be a fantastic asset, and I get the impression that he would be happier supporting UKIP policies than the current Tory party.

I heard Hannan say those words.

Of course he won't be following Reckless to UKIP...
Hannan is a very clever politician ...he'll be following the 3rd defection!

[steveT350C]

dandarez said:

don4l said:

0a said:

— Daniel Hannan (@DanHannanMEP)
September 28, 2014
I have immense respect for @MarkReckless as an MP and as a friend. I wish him all the best, but I won't be following him to UKIP.

I really hope that he changes his mind.

Daniel Hannan would be a fantastic asset, and I get the impression that he would be happier supporting UKIP policies than the current Tory party.

I heard Hannan say those words.

Of course he won't be following Reckless to UKIP...
Hannan is a very clever politician ...he'll be following the 3rd defection!

I respect and admire Hannan immensely, but he is fundamentally anti EU and wants out, where as his boss is pro EU and lies to everyone about his true position.

Hannan's position in the Conservative Party is appearing slightly odd as events progress.

[DJRC]

Einion Yrth said:

DJRC said:

Einion Yrth said:

Zod said:

o sensitive.

I happen to have been acquainted with this man. He is an odious character.

His defection and its manner change nothing in that respect.

You know, I'm more inclined to trust the judgement of Carswell and Hannan, both of whom are good friends of Reckless, than some bitter troll on the internet. Any other MPs you've met and disliked that you'd like to tell us about, before the fact as it were?

To be fair to Zod...he knew the bloke because he worked with him. Wouldn't on this case it require others to have worked with him to gain said knowledge?

He and Hannan were each others best men. Draw your own conclusions.

If applying strict logic the only one outcome via that argument is that Dan is also possibly a distasteful person.
Your presumption with that argument is you think Dan is a sound chap ergo his best mate must but that logically falls down because of your initial presumption which is based purely on hearsays tertiary evidence.

The arguement on those grounds is of course nuts. That Dan the man is his best mate proves or even means nothing for or against the chap.

I personally have no idea if the chap was as dislikable as Zod suggests. When I lived in the constituency it was Bob who was the MP and I voted Lib Dem as I refused to vote for Bob and I couldn't bring myself to vote for the Tory candidate who I remember thinking was a Muppet. I have no idea if the Tory candidate in 2000/1 was Reckless or another. As I have friends and property still in the area if I wished to find the dirt out about him I am sure I could. But I have better things to do in my life.

[Einion Yrth]

DJRC said:

If applying strict logic the only one outcome via that argument is that Dan is also possibly a distasteful person.

Can't really be bothered with the rest of your screed, but that is arrant nonsense.