UKIP - The Future - Volume 2
Discussion
tangerine_sedge said:
FiF said:
True but the difference is that whilst those UKIP ones are old hat from the last election under a useless leader, at least one of those of the LibDems is current policy and another from a recent conference. CBA to figure out if it's still policy or not seeing as it's not much more than a bit of a deserved piss take of the LibDems, ref the photo of the sandals with suitably coloured socks.
But seeing as many of their watermelon supporters are increasingly deserting to the Greens they will probably be more at home there and subscribe to further LD decline.
Did Farage, as a senior member of the party at the time have absolutely nothing to do with the manifesto? Did he even read it (besides the introduction that he wrote)? I would have thought that even the most useless of candidate would have at least read his own parties manifesto?But seeing as many of their watermelon supporters are increasingly deserting to the Greens they will probably be more at home there and subscribe to further LD decline.
So which is it? Did he support the manifesto or is he an incompetent politician?
t crazy LD policies is in fact current policy we get "oh look a squirrel"There was stuff going on under Pearson that wouldn't be accepted today and certainly wasn't accepted then by a significant part of the party according to information freely available.
Scuffers said:
more like CBA to listen to your constant keyboard diarrhoea...
you make it sound like the 6th largest trading nation on the planet is incapable of sorting out trade agreements?
are you for real?
back to the real point, no way is Germany going to do anything to jeopardize their relationships with the UK, they simply can't afford to loose the UK as a market.
The US and EU set up a trade council in 2007, directed it again in 2011, interim report in 2012; final report in 2013, and still no sign of the free trade agreement they are aiming at.you make it sound like the 6th largest trading nation on the planet is incapable of sorting out trade agreements?
are you for real?
back to the real point, no way is Germany going to do anything to jeopardize their relationships with the UK, they simply can't afford to loose the UK as a market.
But naturally the 6th largest trading nation on the planet will find it easier than the biggest. Especially when we will have just ******* off the other party
JustAnotherLogin said:
The US and EU set up a trade council in 2007, directed it again in 2011, interim report in 2012; final report in 2013, and still no sign of the free trade agreement they are aiming at.
But naturally the 6th largest trading nation on the planet will find it easier than the biggest. Especially when we will have just ******* off the other party
actually, yes, it will be much easier, we already have countless trade deals with the US and don't have to consider the other 27 EU nations interests.But naturally the 6th largest trading nation on the planet will find it easier than the biggest. Especially when we will have just ******* off the other party
JustAnotherLogin said:
Scuffers said:
more like CBA to listen to your constant keyboard diarrhoea...
you make it sound like the 6th largest trading nation on the planet is incapable of sorting out trade agreements?
are you for real?
back to the real point, no way is Germany going to do anything to jeopardize their relationships with the UK, they simply can't afford to loose the UK as a market.
The US and EU set up a trade council in 2007, directed it again in 2011, interim report in 2012; final report in 2013, and still no sign of the free trade agreement they are aiming at.you make it sound like the 6th largest trading nation on the planet is incapable of sorting out trade agreements?
are you for real?
back to the real point, no way is Germany going to do anything to jeopardize their relationships with the UK, they simply can't afford to loose the UK as a market.
But naturally the 6th largest trading nation on the planet will find it easier than the biggest. Especially when we will have just ******* off the other party
JustAnotherLogin said:
Scuffers said:
more like CBA to listen to your constant keyboard diarrhoea...
you make it sound like the 6th largest trading nation on the planet is incapable of sorting out trade agreements?
are you for real?
back to the real point, no way is Germany going to do anything to jeopardize their relationships with the UK, they simply can't afford to loose the UK as a market.
The US and EU set up a trade council in 2007, directed it again in 2011, interim report in 2012; final report in 2013, and still no sign of the free trade agreement they are aiming at.you make it sound like the 6th largest trading nation on the planet is incapable of sorting out trade agreements?
are you for real?
back to the real point, no way is Germany going to do anything to jeopardize their relationships with the UK, they simply can't afford to loose the UK as a market.
But naturally the 6th largest trading nation on the planet will find it easier than the biggest. Especially when we will have just ******* off the other party
Israeli companies trade with Saudi companies despite politics.
Sod the politics, lets trade!
Scuffers said:
actually, yes, it will be much easier, we already have countless trade deals with the US and don't have to consider the other 27 EU nations interests.
I meant the ability to form a trade agreement with the EU that some were saying would be so easy. I would have thought that would have been obvious since I pointed out we would have just upset the other party.The EU are of course a much bigger trade partner of ours than the US, so would be more important
tangerine_sedge said:
Such highlights as :
Restricting foreigners on football teams.
Proper dress in theatres.
Making the circle line a circle again.
Referendums on building mosques and banning the burqa.
Glamorous railways.
Restoration of imperial measures and the crown symbol on pint glasses.
The same income tax level for rich & poor.
Banning European studies in Universities.
What is wrong with those suggestions?Restricting foreigners on football teams.
Proper dress in theatres.
Making the circle line a circle again.
Referendums on building mosques and banning the burqa.
Glamorous railways.
Restoration of imperial measures and the crown symbol on pint glasses.
The same income tax level for rich & poor.
Banning European studies in Universities.
BGARK said:
tangerine_sedge said:
Such highlights as :
Restricting foreigners on football teams.
Proper dress in theatres.
Making the circle line a circle again.
Referendums on building mosques and banning the burqa.
Glamorous railways.
Restoration of imperial measures and the crown symbol on pint glasses.
The same income tax level for rich & poor.
Banning European studies in Universities.
What is wrong with those suggestions?Restricting foreigners on football teams.
Proper dress in theatres.
Making the circle line a circle again.
Referendums on building mosques and banning the burqa.
Glamorous railways.
Restoration of imperial measures and the crown symbol on pint glasses.
The same income tax level for rich & poor.
Banning European studies in Universities.
tangerine_sedge said:
Right wing paper calls LibDem policies crazy. I would never have expected that.
For balance, try this - Gruniard - a lefty paper calling UKIP policies crazy. Such highlights as :
Restricting foreigners on football teams.
Proper dress in theatres.
Making the circle line a circle again.
Referendums on building mosques and banning the burqa.
Glamorous railways.
Restoration of imperial measures and the crown symbol on pint glasses.
The same income tax level for rich & poor.
Banning European studies in Universities.
Which of those policies do you disagree with? And why?For balance, try this - Gruniard - a lefty paper calling UKIP policies crazy. Such highlights as :
Restricting foreigners on football teams.
Proper dress in theatres.
Making the circle line a circle again.
Referendums on building mosques and banning the burqa.
Glamorous railways.
Restoration of imperial measures and the crown symbol on pint glasses.
The same income tax level for rich & poor.
Banning European studies in Universities.
I'm intrigued.
Well I can' speak for him but just to start with, restoring feet and inches in place of metres would be just dumb and pointless, and a referendum on building mosques would be a betrayal of our traditions of religious tolerance.
As for proportional taxation as opposed to progressive, please highlight any evidence where a country has tried this and it has worked as a justification for change. Even Farage has distanced himself from a flat rate tax, whilst proposing a two tier flat rate tax, i.e. a progressive tax
As for proportional taxation as opposed to progressive, please highlight any evidence where a country has tried this and it has worked as a justification for change. Even Farage has distanced himself from a flat rate tax, whilst proposing a two tier flat rate tax, i.e. a progressive tax
JustAnotherLogin said:
Well I can' speak for him but just to start with, restoring feet and inches in place of metres would be just dumb and pointless, and a referendum on building mosques would be a betrayal of our traditions of religious tolerance.
As for proportional taxation as opposed to progressive, please highlight any evidence where a country has tried this and it has worked as a justification for change. Even Farage has distanced himself from a flat rate tax, whilst proposing a two tier flat rate tax, i.e. a progressive tax
See, there you go with your miss interpretation.As for proportional taxation as opposed to progressive, please highlight any evidence where a country has tried this and it has worked as a justification for change. Even Farage has distanced himself from a flat rate tax, whilst proposing a two tier flat rate tax, i.e. a progressive tax
The measures bit is not about removing metric, just enabling things like a pint to be marked as a pint, and traders being allowed to sell a lb of tomatoes etc.
The flat tax thing has been so miss understood/represented, they gave up trying to explain it.
Scuffers said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
Well I can' speak for him but just to start with, restoring feet and inches in place of metres would be just dumb and pointless, and a referendum on building mosques would be a betrayal of our traditions of religious tolerance.
As for proportional taxation as opposed to progressive, please highlight any evidence where a country has tried this and it has worked as a justification for change. Even Farage has distanced himself from a flat rate tax, whilst proposing a two tier flat rate tax, i.e. a progressive tax
See, there you go with your miss interpretation.As for proportional taxation as opposed to progressive, please highlight any evidence where a country has tried this and it has worked as a justification for change. Even Farage has distanced himself from a flat rate tax, whilst proposing a two tier flat rate tax, i.e. a progressive tax
The measures bit is not about removing metric, just enabling things like a pint to be marked as a pint, and traders being allowed to sell a lb of tomatoes etc.
The flat tax thing has been so miss understood/represented, they gave up trying to explain it.
because allowing a pint to marked as a pint is, well a policy of not changing. Which is facile. So what would return to imperial?
And what DO you mean by flat rate tax then. Don't worry about using technical language, I'm sure I can cope.
Because I'm not trying to misinterpret, just that there is a certain lack of clarity. By all means link to official UKIP policy on these matters if that is easier. I just went off the posts made on here.
“I know you want this sorted so I will got to Brussels. I will not take No for an answer when it comes to free movement – I will get what Britain needs.” CMD - Conservative party conference.
“I don’t think the EU at the moment is ready for a shake up of its treaties and institutions ...unpicking the principle of free movement of people and workers would be to call into question the very basis of the EU and in any case member states from eastern European Europe would oppose it." Manuel Valls - French prime minister
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5d64d7de-4d68-11e4-8f75-...
mrpurple said:
“I know you want this sorted so I will got to Brussels. I will not take No for an answer when it comes to free movement – I will get what Britain needs.” CMD - Conservative party conference.
“I don’t think the EU at the moment is ready for a shake up of its treaties and institutions ...unpicking the principle of free movement of people and workers would be to call into question the very basis of the EU and in any case member states from eastern European Europe would oppose it." Manuel Valls - French prime minister
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5d64d7de-4d68-11e4-8f75-...
But quite possibly they like the money too much.“I don’t think the EU at the moment is ready for a shake up of its treaties and institutions ...unpicking the principle of free movement of people and workers would be to call into question the very basis of the EU and in any case member states from eastern European Europe would oppose it." Manuel Valls - French prime minister
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5d64d7de-4d68-11e4-8f75-...
Lets see what happens & who blinks first, it will be interesting to say the least.
JustAnotherLogin said:
Well I can' speak for him but just to start with, restoring feet and inches in place of metres would be just dumb and pointless, and a referendum on building mosques would be a betrayal of our traditions of religious tolerance.
As for proportional taxation as opposed to progressive, please highlight any evidence where a country has tried this and it has worked as a justification for change. Even Farage has distanced himself from a flat rate tax, whilst proposing a two tier flat rate tax, i.e. a progressive tax
We don't have a tradition of religious tolerance. We might have some recent history of it, but our longer term tradition is the exact opposite!As for proportional taxation as opposed to progressive, please highlight any evidence where a country has tried this and it has worked as a justification for change. Even Farage has distanced himself from a flat rate tax, whilst proposing a two tier flat rate tax, i.e. a progressive tax
Does nobody read history anymore?
Edited by DJRC on Tuesday 7th October 07:06
DJRC said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
Well I can' speak for him but just to start with, restoring feet and inches in place of metres would be just dumb and pointless, and a referendum on building mosques would be a betrayal of our traditions of religious tolerance.
As for proportional taxation as opposed to progressive, please highlight any evidence where a country has tried this and it has worked as a justification for change. Even Farage has distanced himself from a flat rate tax, whilst proposing a two tier flat rate tax, i.e. a progressive tax
We don't have a tradition of religious tolerance. We might have some recent history of it, but our longer term tradition is the exact opposite!As for proportional taxation as opposed to progressive, please highlight any evidence where a country has tried this and it has worked as a justification for change. Even Farage has distanced himself from a flat rate tax, whilst proposing a two tier flat rate tax, i.e. a progressive tax
Does nobody read history anymore?
Religious tolerance will be the death of this country as we know it. What will it take for the Guardianistas to realise that with a certain religion the tolerance only goes one way? Vote LibLabCon - get Rochdale, Rotherham and Tower Hamlets.
I never knew UKIP had proposed controls on mosque-building, suggests they are just as anti-Islam as I hope they'll turn out to be.
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