UKIP - The Future - Volume 2
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zygalski said:
Art0ir said:
mrpurple said:
I won't copy & paste the lot 
"The following statements represent highlights of UKIP's policy announcements as made at the Doncaster Conference. More detailed announcements will be made in the run up to the 2015 General Election.
http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people?utm_campai...
Looks good to me. Why isn't this being plastered everywhere?"The following statements represent highlights of UKIP's policy announcements as made at the Doncaster Conference. More detailed announcements will be made in the run up to the 2015 General Election.
http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people?utm_campai...
I don't particularly like the idea of a society of lazy scroungers waiting around for the day mummy & daddy pop their clogs so they can flog the house & then live off that.
I'm surprised, because I thought UKIP stood for traditional core values such as hard work & standing on your own two feet. Competition & survival of the fittest. That sort of thing.
Oh well. Another illusion shattered.
zygalski said:
Art0ir said:
mrpurple said:
I won't copy & paste the lot
"The following statements represent highlights of UKIP's policy announcements as made at the Doncaster Conference. More detailed announcements will be made in the run up to the 2015 General Election.
http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people?utm_campai...
Looks good to me. Why isn't this being plastered everywhere?"The following statements represent highlights of UKIP's policy announcements as made at the Doncaster Conference. More detailed announcements will be made in the run up to the 2015 General Election.
http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people?utm_campai...
I don't particularly like the idea of a society of lazy scroungers waiting around for the day mummy & daddy pop their clogs so they can flog the house & then live off that.
I'm surprised, because I thought UKIP stood for traditional core values such as hard work & standing on your own two feet. Competition & survival of the fittest. That sort of thing.
Oh well. Another illusion shattered.
Please find me a policy document from ANY political party that you agree with everything within.
If inheritance tax is the only thing you can find wrong with the above, it's job well done IMO.
If you really want to discuss it however, I would contend that it's an evolutionary instinct to provide for your young, even after death if possible. Parents setting their children up for success if a perfectly "natural" or "traditional" thing to do surely? Why should life and wealth have a reset button from generation to generation?
And no, sadly, inheritance tax will never be something that affects me unless I have children of my own.
Edited by Art0ir on Thursday 9th October 00:31
Esseesse said:
Why is the state entitled to what your parents worked hard for? Who would your parents like to benefit from their hard work?
Let's say your parents bought a 3 bedroom mid terrace in 1960 for £1000. To say that they 'earned' a current market value of £500,000 since paying the mortgage off is moronic. Like saying you 'earn' a National Lottery win, although of course in the case of home ownership a hefty long term return is guaranteed. It could easily be argued that the state has generated the vast majority of that money, especially if it was a former council house. Therefore the state should be entitled to its cut of the vastly over inflation mark up.Simple logic.
By the same logic when my mortgage is paid in 15 years or so, I will not have 'earned' the profit. It's like the most obviously overpaid investment imaginable.
Edited by zygalski on Thursday 9th October 00:39
Art0ir said:
Really? Really, really?
Please find me a policy document from ANY political party that you agree with everything within.
If inheritance tax is the only thing you can find wrong with the above, it's job well done IMO.
If you really want to discuss it however, I would contend that it's an evolutionary instinct to provide for your young, even after death if possible. Parents setting their children up for success if a perfectly "natural" or "traditional" thing to do surely? Why should life and wealth have a reset button from generation to generation?
And no, sadly, inheritance tax will never be something that affects me unless I have children of my own.
40% over £325,000? Awww I'm crying. Please find me a policy document from ANY political party that you agree with everything within.
If inheritance tax is the only thing you can find wrong with the above, it's job well done IMO.
If you really want to discuss it however, I would contend that it's an evolutionary instinct to provide for your young, even after death if possible. Parents setting their children up for success if a perfectly "natural" or "traditional" thing to do surely? Why should life and wealth have a reset button from generation to generation?
And no, sadly, inheritance tax will never be something that affects me unless I have children of my own.
Edited by Art0ir on Thursday 9th October 00:31
Hessian sacks for the kids then I suppose....
Art0ir said:
I couldn't care either way, for entirely selfish reasons. I only addressed it for entertainment, I was hoping you would read the first half of the post.
I disagree with the manifesto in its entirety. The part about Inheritance just took me by surprise, for reasons I gave above. zygalski said:
Art0ir said:
mrpurple said:
I won't copy & paste the lot
"The following statements represent highlights of UKIP's policy announcements as made at the Doncaster Conference. More detailed announcements will be made in the run up to the 2015 General Election.
http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people?utm_campai...
Looks good to me. Why isn't this being plastered everywhere?"The following statements represent highlights of UKIP's policy announcements as made at the Doncaster Conference. More detailed announcements will be made in the run up to the 2015 General Election.
http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people?utm_campai...
I don't particularly like the idea of a society of lazy scroungers waiting around for the day mummy & daddy pop their clogs so they can flog the house & then live off that.
I'm surprised, because I thought UKIP stood for traditional core values such as hard work & standing on your own two feet. Competition & survival of the fittest. That sort of thing.
Oh well. Another illusion shattered.
Edited by mrpurple on Thursday 9th October 00:47
Esseesse said:
zygalski said:
Art0ir said:
mrpurple said:
I won't copy & paste the lot
"The following statements represent highlights of UKIP's policy announcements as made at the Doncaster Conference. More detailed announcements will be made in the run up to the 2015 General Election.
http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people?utm_campai...
Looks good to me. Why isn't this being plastered everywhere?"The following statements represent highlights of UKIP's policy announcements as made at the Doncaster Conference. More detailed announcements will be made in the run up to the 2015 General Election.
http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people?utm_campai...
I don't particularly like the idea of a society of lazy scroungers waiting around for the day mummy & daddy pop their clogs so they can flog the house & then live off that.
I'm surprised, because I thought UKIP stood for traditional core values such as hard work & standing on your own two feet. Competition & survival of the fittest. That sort of thing.
Oh well. Another illusion shattered.
I'm leaving the holiday home to a Romanian family , the 4x4 to an Afghan warlord…..
zygalski said:
Art0ir said:
I couldn't care either way, for entirely selfish reasons. I only addressed it for entertainment, I was hoping you would read the first half of the post.
I disagree with the manifesto in its entirety. The part about Inheritance just took me by surprise, for reasons I gave above. zygalski said:
I disagree with the manifesto in its entirety. The part about Inheritance just took me by surprise, for reasons I gave above.
– UKIP will cut the foreign aid budget by £9bn pa, prioritising disaster relief and schemes which provide water and inoculation against preventable diseases.
– UKIP will reduce Barnett Formula spending and give devolved parliaments and assemblies further tax powers to compensate.
Just a couple of things you entirely disagree with, but seem eminently sensible to me.
sjn2004 said:
zygalski said:
Art0ir said:
I couldn't care either way, for entirely selfish reasons. I only addressed it for entertainment, I was hoping you would read the first half of the post.
I disagree with the manifesto in its entirety. The part about Inheritance just took me by surprise, for reasons I gave above. just how many of the nations historic treasures have been lost to the altar of inheritance tax?
it really is the tax of the green-eyed lefty mong's.
people who are worth a bit when they die will have likely paid way over the norm in TAX already, yet that's not good enough for the green-eyed mong's.
this is the same mentality to mansion house tax, pure and simply an easy policy to sell to the mong's.
it really is the tax of the green-eyed lefty mong's.
people who are worth a bit when they die will have likely paid way over the norm in TAX already, yet that's not good enough for the green-eyed mong's.
this is the same mentality to mansion house tax, pure and simply an easy policy to sell to the mong's.
What was the example he gave? Someone who bought a terrace for £1000 approx 50 years ago , have lived in ever since and it's now worth half a million. Even worse if it was a council house sale.
Were council house sales in the 60's? Nope. Which only adds to the ridiculous nature of his one eyed skewed perception.
There's a taxi at the door for zygalski's credibility.
Were council house sales in the 60's? Nope. Which only adds to the ridiculous nature of his one eyed skewed perception.
There's a taxi at the door for zygalski's credibility.
http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people?utm_campai...
Nothing I can disagree with. Here are are three that I have mentioned on various other threads in the past and am particularly pleased are part of UKIP policy...
– Subject to academic performance UKIP will remove tuition fees for students taking approved degrees in science, medicine, technology, engineering, maths on the condition that they live, work and pay tax in the UK for five years after the completion of their degrees.
– Child benefit is only to be paid to children permanently resident in the UK and future child benefit to be limited to the first two children only.
– UKIP will amend the smoking ban to give pubs and clubs the choice to open smoking rooms properly ventilated and separated from non-smoking areas. I am a non smoker
Nothing I can disagree with. Here are are three that I have mentioned on various other threads in the past and am particularly pleased are part of UKIP policy...
– Subject to academic performance UKIP will remove tuition fees for students taking approved degrees in science, medicine, technology, engineering, maths on the condition that they live, work and pay tax in the UK for five years after the completion of their degrees.
– Child benefit is only to be paid to children permanently resident in the UK and future child benefit to be limited to the first two children only.
– UKIP will amend the smoking ban to give pubs and clubs the choice to open smoking rooms properly ventilated and separated from non-smoking areas. I am a non smoker
Edited by steveT350C on Thursday 9th October 09:12
steveT350C said:
http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people?utm_campai...
Nothing I can disagree with. Here are are three that I have mentioned on various other threads in the past and am particularly pleased are part of UKIP policy...
– Subject to academic performance UKIP will remove tuition fees for students taking approved degrees in science, medicine, technology, engineering, maths on the condition that they live, work and pay tax in the UK for five years after the completion of their degrees.
– Child benefit is only to be paid to children permanently resident in the UK and future child benefit to be limited to the first two children only.
– UKIP will amend the smoking ban to give pubs and clubs the choice to open smoking rooms properly ventilated and separated from non-smoking areas. I am a non smoker
I'd have no qualms with any of those three policies.Nothing I can disagree with. Here are are three that I have mentioned on various other threads in the past and am particularly pleased are part of UKIP policy...
– Subject to academic performance UKIP will remove tuition fees for students taking approved degrees in science, medicine, technology, engineering, maths on the condition that they live, work and pay tax in the UK for five years after the completion of their degrees.
– Child benefit is only to be paid to children permanently resident in the UK and future child benefit to be limited to the first two children only.
– UKIP will amend the smoking ban to give pubs and clubs the choice to open smoking rooms properly ventilated and separated from non-smoking areas. I am a non smoker
Edited by steveT350C on Thursday 9th October 09:12
I am also a non-smoker.
BigMacDaddy said:
steveT350C said:
http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people?utm_campai...
Nothing I can disagree with. Here are are three that I have mentioned on various other threads in the past and am particularly pleased are part of UKIP policy...
– Subject to academic performance UKIP will remove tuition fees for students taking approved degrees in science, medicine, technology, engineering, maths on the condition that they live, work and pay tax in the UK for five years after the completion of their degrees.
– Child benefit is only to be paid to children permanently resident in the UK and future child benefit to be limited to the first two children only.
– UKIP will amend the smoking ban to give pubs and clubs the choice to open smoking rooms properly ventilated and separated from non-smoking areas. I am a non smoker
I'd have no qualms with any of those three policies.Nothing I can disagree with. Here are are three that I have mentioned on various other threads in the past and am particularly pleased are part of UKIP policy...
– Subject to academic performance UKIP will remove tuition fees for students taking approved degrees in science, medicine, technology, engineering, maths on the condition that they live, work and pay tax in the UK for five years after the completion of their degrees.
– Child benefit is only to be paid to children permanently resident in the UK and future child benefit to be limited to the first two children only.
– UKIP will amend the smoking ban to give pubs and clubs the choice to open smoking rooms properly ventilated and separated from non-smoking areas. I am a non smoker
Edited by steveT350C on Thursday 9th October 09:12
I am also a non-smoker.
steveT350C said:
– Subject to academic performance UKIP will remove tuition fees for students taking approved degrees in science, medicine, technology, engineering, maths on the condition that they live, work and pay tax in the UK for five years after the completion of their degrees.
How's that going to be policed? The students get the benefit of no tuition fees during their degrees, then leave the country never to return. A UKIP Govt would really track these people down and sue them in a country where they have assets? Sounds implausible.
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