UKIP - The Future - Volume 2
Discussion
Scuffers said:
Mrr T said:
Not the North document which discusses at great length the problems of exiting in a realistic time frame without going via EEA or EFTA which is not UKIP policy because of the free movement of labour.
So can i confirm its now the plan of UKIP not to leave the EU since they have no plan on how to do so on a realistic time scale.
question...So can i confirm its now the plan of UKIP not to leave the EU since they have no plan on how to do so on a realistic time scale.
do you have to work at being a pillock or does it come naturally?
Sorry if I upset you by pointing out that the UKIP has no idea how to achieve its single most important policy.
It needs to be a strategy which:
1. Has minimal impact on UK economic position.
2. Can be carried out within a single parliament.
3. Can be delivered against a back ground of apathy and annoyance from the EU commission and other member states.
If it has no strategy to achieve that I assume its policy is to remain in the EU unless it breaks up.
Esseesse said:
Can't we just go via EEA or EFTA and break the free movement rule bit?
No as Switzerland are proving. However, as per the North plan EEA/EFTA may only be a starting point. Just a quick way, 2 years, of achieving a complex process without breaking the UK economy. Any other strategy is likely to last so long a change of government may reverse the process.
Mrr T said:
Such insults I am so so upset.
Sorry if I upset you by pointing out that the UKIP has no idea how to achieve its single most important policy.
It needs to be a strategy which:
1. Has minimal impact on UK economic position.
2. Can be carried out within a single parliament.
3. Can be delivered against a back ground of apathy and annoyance from the EU commission and other member states.
If it has no strategy to achieve that I assume its policy is to remain in the EU unless it breaks up.
in case you had not noticed, this is PH, it's a forum, it's not UKIP's think-tank or policy generating unit.Sorry if I upset you by pointing out that the UKIP has no idea how to achieve its single most important policy.
It needs to be a strategy which:
1. Has minimal impact on UK economic position.
2. Can be carried out within a single parliament.
3. Can be delivered against a back ground of apathy and annoyance from the EU commission and other member states.
If it has no strategy to achieve that I assume its policy is to remain in the EU unless it breaks up.
I am pretty confident that when it comes down to the details, (and for that to happen, UKIP would have to be in some kind of parliamentary coalition), the combined heads of government and the civil service will manage to figure it out.
you make out like it's impossible to quit, actually I am sure its very easy, the hard part is doing it in a way that does not piss everybody else off.
zygalski said:
BGARK said:
No we are not.
....and so sums up yer average kipper cost/benefit analysis of EU membership.I also export products and employ "skilled" foreign workers.
Personalities and voting labour/tory "because my dad did" is a completely narrow minded viewpoint.
What do you do?
WinstonWolf said:
zygalski said:
Art0ir said:
I couldn't care either way, for entirely selfish reasons. I only addressed it for entertainment, I was hoping you would read the first half of the post.
I disagree with the manifesto in its entirety. The part about Inheritance just took me by surprise, for reasons I gave above. – UKIP will ensure there is an initial presumption of 50/50 shared parenting in child custody matters and grandparents will be given visitation rights.
WinstonWolf said:
WinstonWolf said:
Even this?
– UKIP will ensure there is an initial presumption of 50/50 shared parenting in child custody matters and grandparents will be given visitation rights.
:taptap: Is this thing working? – UKIP will ensure there is an initial presumption of 50/50 shared parenting in child custody matters and grandparents will be given visitation rights.
do you?
Scuffers said:
in case you had not noticed, this is PH, it's a forum, it's not UKIP's think-tank or policy generating unit.
I am pretty confident that when it comes down to the details, (and for that to happen, UKIP would have to be in some kind of parliamentary coalition), the combined heads of government and the civil service will manage to figure it out.
you make out like it's impossible to quit, actually I am sure its very easy, the hard part is doing it in a way that does not piss everybody else off.
No but it is a thread about a political party which has no idea after 20 years of how to carry out its key policy.I am pretty confident that when it comes down to the details, (and for that to happen, UKIP would have to be in some kind of parliamentary coalition), the combined heads of government and the civil service will manage to figure it out.
you make out like it's impossible to quit, actually I am sure its very easy, the hard part is doing it in a way that does not piss everybody else off.
Until it does and admits that to do so successfully will mean its other key policy on EU immigration may take 10 years to implement then it remains a joke.
I never said it was impossible to leave the EU but having looked at the various options I believe the North plan is at this time the only practical plan which works without destroying our economy and in a time scale which would make it deliverable.
Until Nigel and his mates starts working out policies which work they will remain a party of protest. As such they are more likely to keep us in the EU. I wonder if that is Nigel's real plan rather than lose the nice EU job.
Scuffers said:
WinstonWolf said:
WinstonWolf said:
Even this?
– UKIP will ensure there is an initial presumption of 50/50 shared parenting in child custody matters and grandparents will be given visitation rights.
:taptap: Is this thing working? – UKIP will ensure there is an initial presumption of 50/50 shared parenting in child custody matters and grandparents will be given visitation rights.
do you?
Mrr T said:
No but it is a thread about a political party which has no idea after 20 years of how to carry out its key policy.
Until it does and admits that to do so successfully will mean its other key policy on EU immigration may take 10 years to implement then it remains a joke.
I never said it was impossible to leave the EU but having looked at the various options I believe the North plan is at this time the only practical plan which works without destroying our economy and in a time scale which would make it deliverable.
Until Nigel and his mates starts working out policies which work they will remain a party of protest. As such they are more likely to keep us in the EU. I wonder if that is Nigel's real plan rather than lose the nice EU job.
no, let's get this right.Until it does and admits that to do so successfully will mean its other key policy on EU immigration may take 10 years to implement then it remains a joke.
I never said it was impossible to leave the EU but having looked at the various options I believe the North plan is at this time the only practical plan which works without destroying our economy and in a time scale which would make it deliverable.
Until Nigel and his mates starts working out policies which work they will remain a party of protest. As such they are more likely to keep us in the EU. I wonder if that is Nigel's real plan rather than lose the nice EU job.
you are assuming they don't have a fully detailed exit plan just because you have not seen it.
you are then assuming that it will take 10 years etc etc etc..
well, we all know what assuming says about you don't we?
Look, nobody is suggesting it's a 10 minute job, but it's not going to take 10 years, and it's certainly not going to lay waste to out industrial or financial bases.
to keep on claiming such just makes you look somewhat bitter and twisted.
Zod said:
Scuffers said:
you are assuming they don't have a fully detailed exit plan just because you have not seen it.
Do you think they have one? I don't.Your point makes no sense, no one is ever perfect or has a crystal ball..
Scuffers said:
no, let's get this right.
you are assuming they don't have a fully detailed exit plan just because you have not seen it.
you are then assuming that it will take 10 years etc etc etc..
well, we all know what assuming says about you don't we?
Look, nobody is suggesting it's a 10 minute job, but it's not going to take 10 years, and it's certainly not going to lay waste to out industrial or financial bases.
to keep on claiming such just makes you look somewhat bitter and twisted.
I would bet a lot of money UKIP do not have a detailed plan. Nor do I think they are capable of coming up with a plan. you are assuming they don't have a fully detailed exit plan just because you have not seen it.
you are then assuming that it will take 10 years etc etc etc..
well, we all know what assuming says about you don't we?
Look, nobody is suggesting it's a 10 minute job, but it's not going to take 10 years, and it's certainly not going to lay waste to out industrial or financial bases.
to keep on claiming such just makes you look somewhat bitter and twisted.
Scuffers said:
no, let's get this right.
you are assuming they don't have a fully detailed exit plan just because you have not seen it.
you are then assuming that it will take 10 years etc etc etc..
well, we all know what assuming says about you don't we?
Look, nobody is suggesting it's a 10 minute job, but it's not going to take 10 years, and it's certainly not going to lay waste to out industrial or financial bases.
to keep on claiming such just makes you look somewhat bitter and twisted.
Do you realise just how much that sounds like an SNP-apologist line from two months ago?you are assuming they don't have a fully detailed exit plan just because you have not seen it.
you are then assuming that it will take 10 years etc etc etc..
well, we all know what assuming says about you don't we?
Look, nobody is suggesting it's a 10 minute job, but it's not going to take 10 years, and it's certainly not going to lay waste to out industrial or financial bases.
to keep on claiming such just makes you look somewhat bitter and twisted.
BGARK said:
Zod said:
Scuffers said:
you are assuming they don't have a fully detailed exit plan just because you have not seen it.
Do you think they have one? I don't.Your point makes no sense, no one is ever perfect or has a crystal ball..
Serious question.
The LDs plus the Cons get enough seats at the next GE to be within touching distance of Labour. If UKIP were to join those two parties, it would tip the balance and the Cons could form a coalition Govt with a narrow majority.
In coalition negotiations, Farage says he wants the Cons and LDs to adopt a policy of UK exit from the EU being initiated during the next Parliament. The Cons and the LDs say no; but we will a straight in/out referendum.
What would UKIP supporters want Farage to do in those circs? Compromise, form part of the Govt, and get the referendum, or not compromise and leave Lab with a majority Govt?
The LDs plus the Cons get enough seats at the next GE to be within touching distance of Labour. If UKIP were to join those two parties, it would tip the balance and the Cons could form a coalition Govt with a narrow majority.
In coalition negotiations, Farage says he wants the Cons and LDs to adopt a policy of UK exit from the EU being initiated during the next Parliament. The Cons and the LDs say no; but we will a straight in/out referendum.
What would UKIP supporters want Farage to do in those circs? Compromise, form part of the Govt, and get the referendum, or not compromise and leave Lab with a majority Govt?
Mrr T said:
I would bet a lot of money UKIP do not have a detailed plan. Nor do I think they are capable of coming up with a plan.
The various options and reports linked to them were discussed in some detail further back in the thread. If I remember correctly three main options existed. Beyond this no one can get too far into specifics because it is dependent on how and when we elect to leave or if the EU breaks apart or ejects us. I get the impression you have such a low opinion of UKIP that nothing they could say would dissuade you from your position. However seeing as you've got the crystal ball out with your views on UKIP - how many MPs do you think they'll have at the end of tonight?
If Labour keep Middleton - will UKIP beat the Conservatives? (Vote conservative get Labour? - no that's nonsense)
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