UKIP - The Future - Volume 2
Discussion
Zod said:
No other party has a policy to leave the EU (the Tories have a policy to hold a referendum), so your point is nonsense.
Clearly only nonsense if Cameron's referendum has no chance of being honoured if there is a no vote. Otherwise as a prudent PM he would have to make plans for the vote to go either way, having seen the desperate last minute promises made in the Scottish referendum perhaps that is Cameron's plan again. brenflys777 said:
Zod said:
No other party has a policy to leave the EU (the Tories have a policy to hold a referendum), so your point is nonsense.
Clearly only nonsense if Cameron's referendum has no chance of being honoured if there is a no vote. Otherwise as a prudent PM he would have to make plans for the vote to go either way, having seen the desperate last minute promises made in the Scottish referendum perhaps that is Cameron's plan again. Scuffers said:
Morningside said:
Bit late to the thread but you would never guess there is a local election going on in Clacton would you? Missed out on the news broadcasts and buried in the press. Its almost like they are trying to keep it a secret.
Scary really, isn't it?Full details of the results as they come in - and the reaction - will be on the BBC News website and the BBC News Channel throughout the night. There will be a by-election special on BBC One with Andrew Neil from 00:20 BST on Friday.
Scuffers said:
Morningside said:
Bit late to the thread but you would never guess there is a local election going on in Clacton would you? Missed out on the news broadcasts and buried in the press. Its almost like they are trying to keep it a secret.
Scary really, isn't it?Esseesse said:
Isn't the point, regardless of whether we'd be better off in or out of the EU, that we 'are' outside of the EU. We cease to exist as we know of inside the EU, part of an empire that is not our own.
Either this is quite seriously weird, or I don't understand it. Please elaborate.You could better argue, surely, that we're more a part of "an empire that is not our own" by being in NATO?
Mrr T said:
Scuffers said:
no, let's get this right.
you are assuming they don't have a fully detailed exit plan just because you have not seen it.
you are then assuming that it will take 10 years etc etc etc..
well, we all know what assuming says about you don't we?
Look, nobody is suggesting it's a 10 minute job, but it's not going to take 10 years, and it's certainly not going to lay waste to out industrial or financial bases.
to keep on claiming such just makes you look somewhat bitter and twisted.
I would bet a lot of money UKIP do not have a detailed plan. Nor do I think they are capable of coming up with a plan. you are assuming they don't have a fully detailed exit plan just because you have not seen it.
you are then assuming that it will take 10 years etc etc etc..
well, we all know what assuming says about you don't we?
Look, nobody is suggesting it's a 10 minute job, but it's not going to take 10 years, and it's certainly not going to lay waste to out industrial or financial bases.
to keep on claiming such just makes you look somewhat bitter and twisted.
The Tories are of course offering an in/out referendum as part of their manifesto, so of course they must have a plan for an 'out' vote. To offer an in out referendum without a detailed plan would be highly irresponsible.
Esseesse said:
Can't we just go via EEA or EFTA and break the free movement rule bit?
UKIP have said no:that policy list that someone linked to said:
UKIP would not seek to remain in the European Free Trade Area (EFTA) or European Economic Area (EEA) while those treaties maintain a principle of free movement of labour, which prevents the UK managing its own borders
Can't say that Cameron can't change the EU and then assume we could join another treaty and change that.Which also ignores how much trade is enabled by free movement agreements.
steveT350C said:
Mrr T said:
Scuffers said:
no, let's get this right.
you are assuming they don't have a fully detailed exit plan just because you have not seen it.
you are then assuming that it will take 10 years etc etc etc..
well, we all know what assuming says about you don't we?
Look, nobody is suggesting it's a 10 minute job, but it's not going to take 10 years, and it's certainly not going to lay waste to out industrial or financial bases.
to keep on claiming such just makes you look somewhat bitter and twisted.
I would bet a lot of money UKIP do not have a detailed plan. Nor do I think they are capable of coming up with a plan. you are assuming they don't have a fully detailed exit plan just because you have not seen it.
you are then assuming that it will take 10 years etc etc etc..
well, we all know what assuming says about you don't we?
Look, nobody is suggesting it's a 10 minute job, but it's not going to take 10 years, and it's certainly not going to lay waste to out industrial or financial bases.
to keep on claiming such just makes you look somewhat bitter and twisted.
The Tories are of course offering an in/out referendum as part of their manifesto, so of course they must have a plan for an 'out' vote. To offer an in out referendum without a detailed plan would be highly irresponsible.
UKIP, OTOH, who have already declared they would leave the EU tomorrow, probably ought to have had a detailed plan in place before they made such a declaration by your logic....
I bet they don't have one either.
Zod said:
Ludicrous. So you are saying that, given Cameron has promised a 2017 referendum, he should have the plans in place today for our departure. There are people in the Conservative Party with an idea of how to achieve it. There isn't a single one in UKIP.
No-one? I am pretty sure there are several in UKIP, including Carlswell, who follow Richard Norths work on Brexit. See http://www.eureferendum.com/documents/BrexitPamphl... and fill your boots.Zod said:
brenflys777 said:
Zod said:
No other party has a policy to leave the EU (the Tories have a policy to hold a referendum), so your point is nonsense.
Clearly only nonsense if Cameron's referendum has no chance of being honoured if there is a no vote. Otherwise as a prudent PM he would have to make plans for the vote to go either way, having seen the desperate last minute promises made in the Scottish referendum perhaps that is Cameron's plan again. One of you has to be talking twaddle, get your collective acts together. Sheesh.
Wombat3 said:
steveT350C said:
Mrr T said:
Scuffers said:
no, let's get this right.
you are assuming they don't have a fully detailed exit plan just because you have not seen it.
you are then assuming that it will take 10 years etc etc etc..
well, we all know what assuming says about you don't we?
Look, nobody is suggesting it's a 10 minute job, but it's not going to take 10 years, and it's certainly not going to lay waste to out industrial or financial bases.
to keep on claiming such just makes you look somewhat bitter and twisted.
I would bet a lot of money UKIP do not have a detailed plan. Nor do I think they are capable of coming up with a plan. you are assuming they don't have a fully detailed exit plan just because you have not seen it.
you are then assuming that it will take 10 years etc etc etc..
well, we all know what assuming says about you don't we?
Look, nobody is suggesting it's a 10 minute job, but it's not going to take 10 years, and it's certainly not going to lay waste to out industrial or financial bases.
to keep on claiming such just makes you look somewhat bitter and twisted.
The Tories are of course offering an in/out referendum as part of their manifesto, so of course they must have a plan for an 'out' vote. To offer an in out referendum without a detailed plan would be highly irresponsible.
UKIP, OTOH, who have already declared they would leave the EU tomorrow, probably ought to have had a detailed plan in place before they made such a declaration by your logic....
I bet they don't have one either.
I love it when a plan comes together.
Zod said:
brenflys777 said:
Zod said:
No other party has a policy to leave the EU (the Tories have a policy to hold a referendum), so your point is nonsense.
Clearly only nonsense if Cameron's referendum has no chance of being honoured if there is a no vote. Otherwise as a prudent PM he would have to make plans for the vote to go either way, having seen the desperate last minute promises made in the Scottish referendum perhaps that is Cameron's plan again. You appear to be happy to rely on faith for the conservatives and then demand a level of detail from UKIP that the party in government either can't or won't provide. If Cameron is offering a referendum without any understanding of what he would do should the vote go against him then he is a complete incompetent.
I asked the same question earlier to someone else, but with your insight into UKIP - how many MPs do you think UKIP will have by tonight?
If Labour keep Middleton - will UKIP beat the conservatives and if so is a vote for Conservatives not UKIP now a vote for Labour? ( nonsense I know but some people have peddled the vote UKIP get labour crap for so long it's quite amusing!)
Edited by brenflys777 on Thursday 9th October 19:24
Neither the Conservatives nor the coalition had any plans for the Scottish Independence despite actually offering them a referendum and it coming pretty close to the wire. This conceitedness combined with Europhile Dave leads me to suspect they have no plans in place for britexit either as with these clowns I doubt we will ever get a real choice so what's the point in planning for it.
FiF said:
The absence of a Tory thread means I will post this here.
Tories today crowing about Dave's victory in EU migrant rules.
All that it is when boiled down is that theEU are ssaying transitional arrangements could apply for any new member states joining in the future. Which clearly is nothing new.
Seriously Tory supporters, it's duplicitous rubbish like this which will harm you in the long run. Don't ask people to trust Dave when stunts like this are being pulled.
Shamelessly ripping off Winston Wolf. Tories today crowing about Dave's victory in EU migrant rules.
All that it is when boiled down is that theEU are ssaying transitional arrangements could apply for any new member states joining in the future. Which clearly is nothing new.
Seriously Tory supporters, it's duplicitous rubbish like this which will harm you in the long run. Don't ask people to trust Dave when stunts like this are being pulled.
:tap tap tap: Is this thing working?
Anyway from Sunny Sheffield...
https://theconversation.com/camerons-four-options-...
brenflys777 said:
steveT350C said:
Clock is ticking to confirmation of UKIP's first MP in Westminster!
Let's here it for the trolls....
you have failed
That's tempting fate... But if you're going to tempt fate properly you have to use the magic words of 'what could possibly go wrong?' Let's here it for the trolls....
you have failed
Zygy, wombat3/league67, fredclogs et al could all jump into an anti-UKIP Camper-van.
This camper van will be powered by hippys
te (similar to Mickey's monkey-spunk Moped from Viz, but with the humour replaced with self loathing); head down to Clacton and start spreading their Wisdom to save Those Sort of People.You know, people from That sort of Place.
Edited by steveT350C on Thursday 9th October 20:09
Zod said:
Ludicrous. So you are saying that, given Cameron has promised a 2017 referendum, he should have the plans in place today for our departure. There are people in the Conservative Party with an idea of how to achieve it. There isn't a single one in UKIP.
I must admit that Cameron is consistent on the issue.He promises us a referendum before every election.
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