UKIP - The Future - Volume 2
Discussion
Joking aside, let's not forget why UKIP want to get out of the EU.
The Eurozone is is in decline, as has been predicted on PH for the last 2 years.
Germany is killing its own economy, and the Eurozone's too. Steffan et al will be proved right I believe....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/20...
The Eurozone is is in decline, as has been predicted on PH for the last 2 years.
Germany is killing its own economy, and the Eurozone's too. Steffan et al will be proved right I believe....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/20...
FiF said:
Speaking of a camper van, the Conservative candidate in Clacton has a campaign minibus. Picking up people to come and vote and so on.
In the back there is...
just him, all on his lonesome.
Awwww... isn't that sad. In the back there is...
just him, all on his lonesome.
On a happier note, today is Dave Cameron's 48th birthday.
The Mail(I know, I know...) has done a special piece to celebrate the occasion.
It's filled with happy smiling faces.
Cameron's birthday celebrations
Edited by don4l on Thursday 9th October 20:20
Zod said:
Scuffers said:
Morningside said:
Bit late to the thread but you would never guess there is a local election going on in Clacton would you? Missed out on the news broadcasts and buried in the press. Its almost like they are trying to keep it a secret.
Scary really, isn't it?steveT350C said:
Joking aside, let's not forget why UKIP want to get out of the EU.
The Eurozone is is in decline, as has been predicted on PH for the last 2 years.
Germany is killing its own economy, and the Eurozone's too. Steffan et al will be proved right I believe....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/20...
And yet the UK economy is powering ahead, faster not only than the rest of the EU, but all those outside it too (of the developed western economies). So why is that a justification for leaving?The Eurozone is is in decline, as has been predicted on PH for the last 2 years.
Germany is killing its own economy, and the Eurozone's too. Steffan et al will be proved right I believe....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/20...
How many premier league clubs change their manager and strategy when they are on a run of winning form?
Justayellowbadge said:
Zod said:
Scuffers said:
Morningside said:
Bit late to the thread but you would never guess there is a local election going on in Clacton would you? Missed out on the news broadcasts and buried in the press. Its almost like they are trying to keep it a secret.
Scary really, isn't it?JustAnotherLogin said:
And yet the UK economy is powering ahead, faster not only than the rest of the EU, but all those outside it too (of the developed western economies). So why is that a justification for leaving?
How many premier league clubs change their manager and strategy when they are on a run of winning form?
You call this "a run of winning form"?How many premier league clubs change their manager and strategy when they are on a run of winning form?
In 2011, George Osborne said that Britain's PSBR would be £70Bn in 2013/2014. It turned out to be £105.5Bn.
This year, and every year for at least the next 10 years, we will have to raise an extra £3.1Bn in taxes just to pay off the interest on the money that we borrowed in 2013-2014.
The national debt is currently £1.4 Trillion. The annual interest is £42 Billion, or more than 5% of taxes.
We are not doing as badly as the rest of Europe, but we are not in a good place at all.
Consider the Foreign aid budget. We are actually borrowing money to give away. Some of the countries that we give money to, have their own foreign aid budgets. One of them has a satellite orbiting Mars.
Our children will spend most of their lives paying for this folly.
JustAnotherLogin said:
steveT350C said:
Joking aside, let's not forget why UKIP want to get out of the EU.
The Eurozone is is in decline, as has been predicted on PH for the last 2 years.
Germany is killing its own economy, and the Eurozone's too. Steffan et al will be proved right I believe....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/20...
And yet the UK economy is powering ahead, faster not only than the rest of the EU, but all those outside it too (of the developed western economies). So why is that a justification for leaving?The Eurozone is is in decline, as has been predicted on PH for the last 2 years.
Germany is killing its own economy, and the Eurozone's too. Steffan et al will be proved right I believe....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/20...
How many premier league clubs change their manager and strategy when they are on a run of winning form?
don4l said:
Justayellowbadge said:
Zod said:
Scuffers said:
Morningside said:
Bit late to the thread but you would never guess there is a local election going on in Clacton would you? Missed out on the news broadcasts and buried in the press. Its almost like they are trying to keep it a secret.
Scary really, isn't it?I am off to bed and looking forward to waking up tomorrow with at least 1 UKIP MP in Westminster representing common sense.
don4l said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
And yet the UK economy is powering ahead, faster not only than the rest of the EU, but all those outside it too (of the developed western economies). So why is that a justification for leaving?
How many premier league clubs change their manager and strategy when they are on a run of winning form?
You call this "a run of winning form"?How many premier league clubs change their manager and strategy when they are on a run of winning form?
In 2011, George Osborne said that Britain's PSBR would be £70Bn in 2013/2014. It turned out to be £105.5Bn.
This year, and every year for at least the next 10 years, we will have to raise an extra £3.1Bn in taxes just to pay off the interest on the money that we borrowed in 2013-2014.
The national debt is currently £1.4 Trillion. The annual interest is £42 Billion, or more than 5% of taxes.
We are not doing as badly as the rest of Europe, but we are not in a good place at all.
Consider the Foreign aid budget. We are actually borrowing money to give away. Some of the countries that we give money to, have their own foreign aid budgets. One of them has a satellite orbiting Mars.
Our children will spend most of their lives paying for this folly.
Are we now growing faster than almost any other developed economy? Yes
Are the govt reducing the deficit without compromising that growth? Yes
Are our interest rates lower than many other countries because the govt is credible?
Is Farage credible to international financiers? No
Has UKIP presented a credible economic plan with a budget verified independently as he promised? No (nor I recognise have the others, but the Tories are demonstrating it which is rather better, and Labour...)
As the warnings say, past performance is not necessarily a guide to the future, but if investing your own money, would you choose a fund manager with a good strong track record, or one who has never actually run anything?
Don't worry, I know your answer. As it happens I am starting up an investment vehicle. It will out-perform the best fund on the market today. I have the numbers all worked out on the back of this beer mat. Shall I put you down for £10k?
JustAnotherLogin said:
don4l said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
And yet the UK economy is powering ahead, faster not only than the rest of the EU, but all those outside it too (of the developed western economies). So why is that a justification for leaving?
How many premier league clubs change their manager and strategy when they are on a run of winning form?
You call this "a run of winning form"?How many premier league clubs change their manager and strategy when they are on a run of winning form?
In 2011, George Osborne said that Britain's PSBR would be £70Bn in 2013/2014. It turned out to be £105.5Bn.
This year, and every year for at least the next 10 years, we will have to raise an extra £3.1Bn in taxes just to pay off the interest on the money that we borrowed in 2013-2014.
The national debt is currently £1.4 Trillion. The annual interest is £42 Billion, or more than 5% of taxes.
We are not doing as badly as the rest of Europe, but we are not in a good place at all.
Consider the Foreign aid budget. We are actually borrowing money to give away. Some of the countries that we give money to, have their own foreign aid budgets. One of them has a satellite orbiting Mars.
Our children will spend most of their lives paying for this folly.
Are we now growing faster than almost any other developed economy? Yes
Are the govt reducing the deficit without compromising that growth? Yes
Are our interest rates lower than many other countries because the govt is credible?
Is Farage credible to international financiers? No
Has UKIP presented a credible economic plan with a budget verified independently as he promised? No (nor I recognise have the others, but the Tories are demonstrating it which is rather better, and Labour...)
As the warnings say, past performance is not necessarily a guide to the future, but if investing your own money, would you choose a fund manager with a good strong track record, or one who has never actually run anything?
Don't worry, I know your answer. As it happens I am starting up an investment vehicle. It will out-perform the best fund on the market today. I have the numbers all worked out on the back of this beer mat. Shall I put you down for £10k?
JustAnotherLogin said:
don4l said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
And yet the UK economy is powering ahead, faster not only than the rest of the EU, but all those outside it too (of the developed western economies). So why is that a justification for leaving?
How many premier league clubs change their manager and strategy when they are on a run of winning form?
You call this "a run of winning form"?How many premier league clubs change their manager and strategy when they are on a run of winning form?
In 2011, George Osborne said that Britain's PSBR would be £70Bn in 2013/2014. It turned out to be £105.5Bn.
This year, and every year for at least the next 10 years, we will have to raise an extra £3.1Bn in taxes just to pay off the interest on the money that we borrowed in 2013-2014.
The national debt is currently £1.4 Trillion. The annual interest is £42 Billion, or more than 5% of taxes.
We are not doing as badly as the rest of Europe, but we are not in a good place at all.
Consider the Foreign aid budget. We are actually borrowing money to give away. Some of the countries that we give money to, have their own foreign aid budgets. One of them has a satellite orbiting Mars.
Our children will spend most of their lives paying for this folly.
How big do you think it was in 2010?
I've got a suspicion that you will get a shock if you spend a couple of minutes on Google.
Cameron is a socialist.
He is borrowing money to fund the feckless.
He is borrowing money to give away in foreign aid.
He has added more than 50% to the debt in just 4 years.
don4l said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
don4l said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
And yet the UK economy is powering ahead, faster not only than the rest of the EU, but all those outside it too (of the developed western economies). So why is that a justification for leaving?
How many premier league clubs change their manager and strategy when they are on a run of winning form?
You call this "a run of winning form"?How many premier league clubs change their manager and strategy when they are on a run of winning form?
In 2011, George Osborne said that Britain's PSBR would be £70Bn in 2013/2014. It turned out to be £105.5Bn.
This year, and every year for at least the next 10 years, we will have to raise an extra £3.1Bn in taxes just to pay off the interest on the money that we borrowed in 2013-2014.
The national debt is currently £1.4 Trillion. The annual interest is £42 Billion, or more than 5% of taxes.
We are not doing as badly as the rest of Europe, but we are not in a good place at all.
Consider the Foreign aid budget. We are actually borrowing money to give away. Some of the countries that we give money to, have their own foreign aid budgets. One of them has a satellite orbiting Mars.
Our children will spend most of their lives paying for this folly.
How big do you think it was in 2010?
I've got a suspicion that you will get a shock if you spend a couple of minutes on Google.
Cameron is a socialist.
He is borrowing money to fund the feckless.
He is borrowing money to give away in foreign aid.
He has added more than 50% to the debt in just 4 years.
You know, as well as anyone, that government spending lags government policy by years - many years in some cases. In other words the levels of spending we have now were locked in years ago by Blair & Brown & co. Their only mistake was not to countenance the idea that the economy might tank at some point as it did (a pretty fundamental error I grant you).
The implication that is clearly intended by your post is that it is this government's fault that they are having to borrow as they are to pay for the decisions taken years ago when quite clearly they have very little option but to do so.
I expect you probably also blame them for the problems in the NHS budgets which PFI is causing and will continue to cause for the next 30 years (again courtesy of Brown)
Its b
ks, its misrepresenting the facts by a country mile & its stupid political points scoring via misinformation. And you lot say that the main parties are less than honest?
Wombat3 said:
Its this sort of childish misrepresentation of economics that makes UKIP look like a bunch of clowns.
You know, as well as anyone, that government spending lags government policy by years - many years in some cases. In other words the levels of spending we have now were locked in years ago by Blair & Brown & co. Their only mistake was not to countenance the idea that the economy might tank at some point as it did (a pretty fundamental error I grant you).
The implication that is clearly intended by your post is that it is this government's fault that they are having to borrow as they are to pay for the decisions taken years ago when quite clearly they have very little option but to do so.
I expect you probably also blame them for the problems in the NHS budgets which PFI is causing and will continue to cause for the next 30 years (again courtesy of Brown)
Its bks, its misrepresenting the facts by a country mile & its stupid political points scoring via misinformation.
And you lot say that the main parties are less than honest?
who is the 'childish clown'?You know, as well as anyone, that government spending lags government policy by years - many years in some cases. In other words the levels of spending we have now were locked in years ago by Blair & Brown & co. Their only mistake was not to countenance the idea that the economy might tank at some point as it did (a pretty fundamental error I grant you).
The implication that is clearly intended by your post is that it is this government's fault that they are having to borrow as they are to pay for the decisions taken years ago when quite clearly they have very little option but to do so.
I expect you probably also blame them for the problems in the NHS budgets which PFI is causing and will continue to cause for the next 30 years (again courtesy of Brown)
Its b
ks, its misrepresenting the facts by a country mile & its stupid political points scoring via misinformation. And you lot say that the main parties are less than honest?
do you think writing your opinion using longer sentences will prevent a reader from examining your assertions?
Your retort is the mess of misrepresentation, oh the irony. Instead of windbagging and insulting, please point out 'implication' and 'misrepresenting the facts by a country mile' in detail because all I see are a few fair comment points
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