Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5
Discussion
Siscar said:
exitwound said:
Why can't we be independent? Are we as Scots, too wee, too poor, too stupid? ...We have to believe in ourselves that we CAN make this work..
Forgetting oil, EU, taxes, Trident etc, for a moment, a yes vote means that Scots will have a vote in their own parliament for their own parties and policies instead of the constant labour/tory yo-yoing run by middle England in Wesminster, where we have not had a vote since the early '70's
Our own vote will work for us and us alone. The SNP will be no more, Alex will be out of a job and retired again.
Who cares if it works or not, the whole point is that it'll be up to us whether we sink or swim and its worth it just for that alone..
The reality is, ..is that there is no choice for Scots, ..as if you vote No, your voting against your own country and as such, you aren't a Scot or don't wish to be. This is an amazing chance to secure a future for generations to come, we need to grab this with both hands and make it work at ANY cost.. Anything else doesn't bear thinking about..
You can be British and Scottish, just as you can be Scottish and Orcandian or whatever.Forgetting oil, EU, taxes, Trident etc, for a moment, a yes vote means that Scots will have a vote in their own parliament for their own parties and policies instead of the constant labour/tory yo-yoing run by middle England in Wesminster, where we have not had a vote since the early '70's
Our own vote will work for us and us alone. The SNP will be no more, Alex will be out of a job and retired again.
Who cares if it works or not, the whole point is that it'll be up to us whether we sink or swim and its worth it just for that alone..
The reality is, ..is that there is no choice for Scots, ..as if you vote No, your voting against your own country and as such, you aren't a Scot or don't wish to be. This is an amazing chance to secure a future for generations to come, we need to grab this with both hands and make it work at ANY cost.. Anything else doesn't bear thinking about..
There is no need to choose between them, describing yourself as British doesn't make you any less Scottish any more than being Scottish doesn't make you any less Orcadian.
Calvib said:
I've been away for a bit again - manic work loads and business trips.
The ball seems to have moved into pensions court now. And who have BT got pontificating about it? Good old Gordy! Jeez, they're trying to lose this, aren't they?
He is a good example of what happens if you have Scots in charge lol.The ball seems to have moved into pensions court now. And who have BT got pontificating about it? Good old Gordy! Jeez, they're trying to lose this, aren't they?
Oh goody we've got that Dick Calvib back. I think you'll find like most hippocrites the SNP don't feel at all inclined to grant others the privileges they themselves demand. What a laugh if UK grants Shetland/Orkney independence or better still the right to remain within the rUK. The shouts of outrage from Hollyrood will be deafening - what an absolute bunch of t
ts.
ts.Borghetto said:
Oh goody we've got that Dick Calvib back. I think you'll find like most hippocrites the SNP don't feel at all inclined to grant others the privileges they themselves demand. What a laugh if UK grants Shetland/Orkney independence or better still the right to remain within the rUK. The shouts of outrage from Hollyrood will be deafening - what an absolute bunch of tts.
Fluffnik is OK with it though. Hell, he'd even support self determination for his street, after all... ts."Unless we are uniquely incapable, and we're not, there is NO excuse for not running our own affairs."
I'm sure he'd be falling out with the ones closer to the corner shop in no time though.
Calvib said:
I've been away for a bit again - manic work loads and business trips.
The ball seems to have moved into pensions court now. And who have BT got pontificating about it? Good old Gordy! Jeez, they're trying to lose this, aren't they?
Welcome back.The ball seems to have moved into pensions court now. And who have BT got pontificating about it? Good old Gordy! Jeez, they're trying to lose this, aren't they?
> Currency plan B
> EU plan B
> Debt
Its really not worth you bothering with the secondary issues and the irrelevant fluff unless you have something to say about the only really important things.
Simply ignoring them / talking about something else / attacking the messenger / pretending these issues are irrelevant won't be good enough. It certainly isn't good enough for the people of Scotland, who deserve to be told the truth.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-271320...
Cornwall granted minority status.
Are the mooching for a parliament, and independence? Have the discovered some oil or something?
Cornwall granted minority status.
Are the mooching for a parliament, and independence? Have the discovered some oil or something?
simoid said:
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-271320...
Cornwall granted minority status.
Are the mooching for a parliament, and independence? Have the discovered some oil or something?
Isle of White has oil seeping out of the sand...Cornwall granted minority status.
Are the mooching for a parliament, and independence? Have the discovered some oil or something?
simoid said:
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-271320...
Cornwall granted minority status.
Are the mooching for a parliament, and independence? Have the discovered some oil or something?
Who needs oil when you've got Uranium?Cornwall granted minority status.
Are the mooching for a parliament, and independence? Have the discovered some oil or something?
toppstuff said:
Calvib said:
I've been away for a bit again - manic work loads and business trips.
The ball seems to have moved into pensions court now. And who have BT got pontificating about it? Good old Gordy! Jeez, they're trying to lose this, aren't they?
Welcome back.The ball seems to have moved into pensions court now. And who have BT got pontificating about it? Good old Gordy! Jeez, they're trying to lose this, aren't they?
> Currency plan B
> EU plan B
> Debt
Its really not worth you bothering with the secondary issues and the irrelevant fluff unless you have something to say about the only really important things.
Simply ignoring them / talking about something else / attacking the messenger / pretending these issues are irrelevant won't be good enough. It certainly isn't good enough for the people of Scotland, who deserve to be told the truth.
Borghetto said:
Oh goody we've got that Dick Calvib back.
You're brave anonymously posting insults on a forum! But usually a sign of feeling having your opinion being threatened. And I'm not even a yes voter but someone who is concerned by the total ineptitude of the no campaign and chooses to highlight those concerns. Hide in your corner, I'd say then...Calvib said:
Yes, I would like answers to those issues also. Or some clarification. I'm not sure of your point?
Likewise been AWOL due to real life.Nice to see VP back in full nonsense glory.
Calvib; the point is that these are questions that can only by the Yes movement and they stubbornly refuse to address them. The no camp (and interested parties like the EU exec) have been clear in their message. It is the yesers which perpetuate some kind of 'computer says no' response.
exitwound said:
Why can't we be independent? Are we as Scots, too wee, too poor, too stupid? ...We have to believe in ourselves that we CAN make this work..
Forgetting oil, EU, taxes, Trident etc, for a moment, a yes vote means that Scots will have a vote in their own parliament for their own parties and policies instead of the constant labour/tory yo-yoing run by middle England in Wesminster, where we have not had a vote since the early '70's
Our own vote will work for us and us alone. The SNP will be no more, Alex will be out of a job and retired again.
Who cares if it works or not, the whole point is that it'll be up to us whether we sink or swim and its worth it just for that alone..
The reality is, ..is that there is no choice for Scots, ..as if you vote No, your voting against your own country and as such, you aren't a Scot or don't wish to be. This is an amazing chance to secure a future for generations to come, we need to grab this with both hands and make it work at ANY cost.. Anything else doesn't bear thinking about..
Fine, on you go, don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.Forgetting oil, EU, taxes, Trident etc, for a moment, a yes vote means that Scots will have a vote in their own parliament for their own parties and policies instead of the constant labour/tory yo-yoing run by middle England in Wesminster, where we have not had a vote since the early '70's
Our own vote will work for us and us alone. The SNP will be no more, Alex will be out of a job and retired again.
Who cares if it works or not, the whole point is that it'll be up to us whether we sink or swim and its worth it just for that alone..
The reality is, ..is that there is no choice for Scots, ..as if you vote No, your voting against your own country and as such, you aren't a Scot or don't wish to be. This is an amazing chance to secure a future for generations to come, we need to grab this with both hands and make it work at ANY cost.. Anything else doesn't bear thinking about..
Just one thing though - you're paying the WHOLE bill to make it happen because I'm f
ked if I can see why the rest of us should have to pick up (any of) the tab for it. You want it, you pay for it.Calvib said:
You're brave anonymously posting insults on a forum! But usually a sign of feeling having your opinion being threatened. And I'm not even a yes voter but someone who is concerned by the total ineptitude of the no campaign and chooses to highlight those concerns. Hide in your corner, I'd say then...
There is no ineptitude on the key points (currency, EU). There is a clear message. There is however an amazing Fingers in ears response from the yes side re these issues. Redirect your ire where it's due. Swinney's useless economic team. Until they can answer the following simple simple questions I'm unsure why you would think the no camp have a case to answer;1) given that all 3 uk political parties have stated that there will not be currency union why is this a key plank of the YES platform
2) given that the president of the EU commission has stated that joining the EU will be difficult if not impossible under the Yes' current plan why is this a key part of the Yes platform.
These are not answers to be provided by the no camp. This is deliberate, evasive, weasly behaviour by the Yes camp.
exitwound said:
Why can't we be independent? Are we as Scots, too wee, too poor, too stupid? ...We have to believe in ourselves that we CAN make this work..
Forgetting oil, EU, taxes, Trident etc, for a moment, a yes vote means that Scots will have a vote in their own parliament for their own parties and policies instead of the constant labour/tory yo-yoing run by middle England in Wesminster, where we have not had a vote since the early '70's
Our own vote will work for us and us alone. The SNP will be no more, Alex will be out of a job and retired again.
Who cares if it works or not, the whole point is that it'll be up to us whether we sink or swim and its worth it just for that alone..
The reality is, ..is that there is no choice for Scots, ..as if you vote No, your voting against your own country and as such, you aren't a Scot or don't wish to be. This is an amazing chance to secure a future for generations to come, we need to grab this with both hands and make it work at ANY cost.. Anything else doesn't bear thinking about..
Why can't we maintain a union that has been extremely successful for the last 300 years? Are we as Brits, too small minded, too self interested, too stupid? ...We have to believe in ourselves that we CAN make this work.. Forgetting oil, EU, taxes, Trident etc, for a moment, a yes vote means that Scots will have a vote in their own parliament for their own parties and policies instead of the constant labour/tory yo-yoing run by middle England in Wesminster, where we have not had a vote since the early '70's
Our own vote will work for us and us alone. The SNP will be no more, Alex will be out of a job and retired again.
Who cares if it works or not, the whole point is that it'll be up to us whether we sink or swim and its worth it just for that alone..
The reality is, ..is that there is no choice for Scots, ..as if you vote No, your voting against your own country and as such, you aren't a Scot or don't wish to be. This is an amazing chance to secure a future for generations to come, we need to grab this with both hands and make it work at ANY cost.. Anything else doesn't bear thinking about..
Forgetting oil, EU, taxes, Trident etc, for a moment, a no vote means that Scots will have a vote in their own parliament for their own parties and policies and will be largely independent of the constant labour/tory yo-yoing run by middle England in Wesminster, where our votes have little relevance for Scottish people.
Our own vote will work for us and us alone. The SNP will be no more, Alex will be out of a job and retired again.
Under the Scotland legislation, the Scots will be able to make it work to suit themselves, with the security of the backup of the rest of the UK to provide us with the financial backing and stability we need. We will also be able to remain members of the EU and NATO, and we will be able to secure employment for many thousands of people in the shipbuilding, financial, and defence industries. We will be secure against our currency being devalued by foreign exchange speculators, and we will benefit from continued good relations with the other national and cultural groups that make our country so great.
The reality is, ..is that there is no choice for Scots, ..as if you vote Yes, your voting against your own country and as such, you aren't a Brit or don't wish to be. This is an amazing chance to secure the future for generations to come, we need to grab this with both hands and make it work.. Anything else doesn't bear thinking about..
Edited by Gaspode on Friday 25th April 08:11
Calvib said:
And I'm not even a yes voter but someone who is concerned by the total ineptitude of the no campaign and chooses to highlight those concerns. .
No-one believes this. You aren't good enough at the game.You spend a lot of time talking about the "campaign" but refusing to talk about the issues. This is simple deflection. At no stage have you offered any thesis whatsoever on the obvious inability of Yes to address the most basic economic and political issues - the lack of a plan B.
You were found out ages ago.
Gaspode said:
exitwound said:
Why can't we be independent? Are we as Scots, too wee, too poor, too stupid? ...We have to believe in ourselves that we CAN make this work..
Forgetting oil, EU, taxes, Trident etc, for a moment, a yes vote means that Scots will have a vote in their own parliament for their own parties and policies instead of the constant labour/tory yo-yoing run by middle England in Wesminster, where we have not had a vote since the early '70's
Our own vote will work for us and us alone. The SNP will be no more, Alex will be out of a job and retired again.
Who cares if it works or not, the whole point is that it'll be up to us whether we sink or swim and its worth it just for that alone..
The reality is, ..is that there is no choice for Scots, ..as if you vote No, your voting against your own country and as such, you aren't a Scot or don't wish to be. This is an amazing chance to secure a future for generations to come, we need to grab this with both hands and make it work at ANY cost.. Anything else doesn't bear thinking about..
Why can't we maintain a union that has been extremely successful for the last 300 years? Are we as Brits, too small minded, too self interested, too stupid? ...We have to believe in ourselves that we CAN make this work.. Forgetting oil, EU, taxes, Trident etc, for a moment, a yes vote means that Scots will have a vote in their own parliament for their own parties and policies instead of the constant labour/tory yo-yoing run by middle England in Wesminster, where we have not had a vote since the early '70's
Our own vote will work for us and us alone. The SNP will be no more, Alex will be out of a job and retired again.
Who cares if it works or not, the whole point is that it'll be up to us whether we sink or swim and its worth it just for that alone..
The reality is, ..is that there is no choice for Scots, ..as if you vote No, your voting against your own country and as such, you aren't a Scot or don't wish to be. This is an amazing chance to secure a future for generations to come, we need to grab this with both hands and make it work at ANY cost.. Anything else doesn't bear thinking about..
Forgetting oil, EU, taxes, Trident etc, for a moment, a no vote means that Scots will have a vote in their own parliament for their own parties and policies and will be largely independent of the constant labour/tory yo-yoing run by middle England in Wesminster, where our votes have little relevance for Scottish people.
Our own vote will work for us and us alone. The SNP will be no more, Alex will be out of a job and retired again.
Under the Scotland legislation, the Scots will be able to make it work to suit themselves, with the security of the backup of the rest of the UK to provide us with the financial backing and stability we need. We will also be able to remain members of the EU and NATO, and we will be able to secure employment for many thousands of people in the shipbuilding, financial, and defence industries. We will be secure against our currency being devalued by foreign exchange speculators, and we will benefit from continued good relations with the other national and cultural groups that make our country so great.
The reality is, ..is that there is no choice for Scots, ..as if you vote Yes, your voting against your own country and as such, you aren't a Brit or don't wish to be. This is an amazing chance to secure the future for generations to come, we need to grab this with both hands and make it work.. Anything else doesn't bear thinking about..
Edited by Gaspode on Friday 25th April 08:11
If your ever in Glasgow, a beer or more can be claimed for it.
toppstuff said:
Calvib said:
And I'm not even a yes voter but someone who is concerned by the total ineptitude of the no campaign and chooses to highlight those concerns. .
No-one believes this. You aren't good enough at the game.You spend a lot of time talking about the "campaign" but refusing to talk about the issues. This is simple deflection. At no stage have you offered any thesis whatsoever on the obvious inability of Yes to address the most basic economic and political issues - the lack of a plan B.
You were found out ages ago.
What would I benefit from 'deflecting' anything on this debate?! It does not affect me or the wider real debate...
My point is, the YES campaign are making ground on the no campaign. The no campaign do not seem to have the strategy to do anything about it.
Discuss.
Calvib said:
My point is, the YES campaign are making ground on the no campaign. The no campaign do not seem to have the strategy to do anything about it.
Discuss.
Well normally a strategy is based around providing people with the best information to make informed decisions.Discuss.
One side of the argument has had the following made explicitly clear.
a/ No currency union. ( It takes agreement on all sides for this to happen )
b/ No automatic EU membership ( EU rules explicitly clear on this )
c/ No rUK warships being made on foreign soil ( rUK electorate would go ballistic on this. There are other rUK shipyards capable of making them )
d/ Financial institutions are making preparations to move large parts of their business south of the border. ( as EU law demands )
The list goes on.
The other side of the argument hasn't given us much tangible evidence to sift through.
Blind faith as a strategy.... who knew?
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff