Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5

[Edinburger]

Wombat3 said:

Thought for the day:

What , I wonder, would be the effect if a very vocal "We've had enough of the tts, kick them out" campaign were to launch south of the border - perhaps supported by an MP or 3?

You've said that before. Eviction isn't an option. It's not the Big Brother house

[Edinburger]

Gecko1978 said:

Is this the biggest thread of all time on PH yet volume 5 over 2000 pages of posts.

Re the point made about what will need to be funded new civil service etc I would suggest this are very important. So on day 1 after a yes vote things carry on as they are 2 years latter lots of negociations and suddenly rUK has given scotland a raw deal (maybe) and then Phil "unemplyed" Jones goes to the post office to collect his giro and suddenly its short £10 or non existent.

Not saying this will happen but what if independance means cuts to some serivices surely you want to know before the vote not only what you will gain (country of your own, Freedom, end to evil torys, a UAE style soverign wealth fund etc) but also what you might have to loose...pension, currency, freedom of travel in europe etc.

Burger et al can say its all fine and will be worked out but would the fair thing to do not be to tell people in advnace so they can make an educated choice when they vote....

Just for the record Gecko, I'm not saying it's all fine. I'd much rather there was an informed choice but that's not an option for various reasons. It is a leap of faith in many ways - and that's concerning.

[Edinburger]

Gecko1978 said:

Is this the biggest thread of all time on PH yet volume 5 over 2000 pages of posts.

Re the point made about what will need to be funded new civil service etc I would suggest this are very important. So on day 1 after a yes vote things carry on as they are 2 years latter lots of negociations and suddenly rUK has given scotland a raw deal (maybe) and then Phil "unemplyed" Jones goes to the post office to collect his giro and suddenly its short £10 or non existent.

Not saying this will happen but what if independance means cuts to some serivices surely you want to know before the vote not only what you will gain (country of your own, Freedom, end to evil torys, a UAE style soverign wealth fund etc) but also what you might have to loose...pension, currency, freedom of travel in europe etc.

Burger et al can say its all fine and will be worked out but would the fair thing to do not be to tell people in advnace so they can make an educated choice when they vote....

By the way, you mention that it's over 2000 pages but you do know that you can have more/less posts per page if you like? The 500 page v4 was only 125 under my settings.

ETA Go to My Info > Preferences > Page Length (mine is at 80)

[andymadmak]

Edinburger said:

Siscar said:

ianrb said:

It would be very interesting to see a poll of how England, N. Ireland and Wales would respond to a proposed currency union with an independent Scotland.

And how many of those people fully understand the implications of a currency union? I'd suggest very few.

How many of those people have made their decision based on what thjey'd learnt from the media? I'd suggest most.

Seems like a pointless poll to me.

How many Scottish people fully understand the implications of a YES vote. I'd suggest very few.

How many of those people have made their decision based on the fairy stories told by the SNP? I'd suggest most.

Seems like a pointless vote to me.

[Siscar]

Edinburger said:

Siscar said:

ianrb said:

It would be very interesting to see a poll of how England, N. Ireland and Wales would respond to a proposed currency union with an independent Scotland.

And how many of those people fully understand the implications of a currency union? I'd suggest very few.

How many of those people have made their decision based on what thjey'd learnt from the media? I'd suggest most.

Seems like a pointless poll to me.

I think we can safely say that if the electorate fully understood the issues then there would be a lot more against it in rUK. Can you give any good reason why we would agree to it?

[AstonZagato]

Edinburger said:

Siscar said:

ianrb said:

It would be very interesting to see a poll of how England, N. Ireland and Wales would respond to a proposed currency union with an independent Scotland.

And how many of those people fully understand the implications of a currency union? I'd suggest very few.

How many of those people have made their decision based on what thjey'd learnt from the media? I'd suggest most.

Seems like a pointless poll to me.

Given that most Scots don't seem to understand the issues of independence and are basing their decision on information in the media, the whole independence referendum is therefore, by your own criteria, pointless.

Let's cancel it then.

[McWigglebum4th]

Edinburger said:

Siscar said:

ianrb said:

It would be very interesting to see a poll of how England, N. Ireland and Wales would respond to a proposed currency union with an independent Scotland.

And how many of those people fully understand the implications of a currency union? I'd suggest very few.

How many of those people have made their decision based on what thjey'd learnt from the media? I'd suggest most.

Seems like a pointless poll to me.

Come on then explain to me why England is doomed without a currency union with Scotland as that is the line you lot are rolling out

[confused_buyer]

Edinburger said:

And how many of those people fully understand the implications of a currency union? I'd suggest very few.

I suspect that, once the implications were pointed out, the "No" would be a lot higher.

[barryrs]

Edinburger said:

And how many of those people fully understand the implications of a currency union? I'd suggest very few.

How many of those people have made their decision based on what thjey'd learnt from the media? I'd suggest most.

Seems like a pointless poll to me.

I think the thin air up on that fence might be starting to effect you EB.

[Moonhawk]

Edinburger said:

And how many of those people fully understand the implications of a currency union? I'd suggest very few.

How many of those people have made their decision based on what thjey'd learnt from the media? I'd suggest most.

Seems like a pointless poll to me.

Much like the forthcoming referendum then.

If you discounted the opinion of people who don't fully understand the implications of something (like independece) - you wouldnt have many people left. The Yes camp would likely lose many of their potential votes if this tack was taken

[E24man]

Just bookmarking

[jimmyjimjim]

There's a bookmark button for that.

[manic47]

But it'll be a better, fairer, free for all bookmark button in an independent Scotland
Bah - I've spent too long reading the Yes Facebook page.

[ianrb]

Siscar said:

Edinburger said:

Siscar said:

ianrb said:

It would be very interesting to see a poll of how England, N. Ireland and Wales would respond to a proposed currency union with an independent Scotland.

And how many of those people fully understand the implications of a currency union? I'd suggest very few.

How many of those people have made their decision based on what thjey'd learnt from the media? I'd suggest most.

Seems like a pointless poll to me.

I think the increased reluctance to accept a currency union over that period indicates that people have started to cotton on to what it would mean.


I think we can safely say that if the electorate fully understood the issues then there would be a lot more against it in rUK. Can you give any good reason why we would agree to it?

[Derek Smith]

Edinburger said:

Siscar said:

ianrb said:

It would be very interesting to see a poll of how England, N. Ireland and Wales would respond to a proposed currency union with an independent Scotland.

And how many of those people fully understand the implications of a currency union? I'd suggest very few.

How many of those people have made their decision based on what thjey'd learnt from the media? I'd suggest most.

How many of these people will be patronised by a poster on Pistonheads?

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

And how many of those people fully understand the implications of a currency union? I'd suggest very few.

How many of those people have made their decision based on what thjey'd learnt from the media? I'd suggest most.

Seems like a pointless poll to me.

Edinburger said:

Just for the record Gecko, I'm not saying it's all fine. I'd much rather there was an informed choice but that's not an option for various reasons. It is a leap of faith in many ways - and that's concerning.

As others have said, but I thought I'd use our own words to show the referendum is like a pointless poll.

Clearly anybody who chooses to vote yes doesn't comprehend or care about the consequences.

[Wombat3]

Edinburger said:

Wombat3 said:

Thought for the day:

What , I wonder, would be the effect if a very vocal "We've had enough of the tts, kick them out" campaign were to launch south of the border - perhaps supported by an MP or 3?

You've said that before. Eviction isn't an option. It's not the Big Brother house

That wouldn't stop a bunch of people campaigning for it (just in order to raise awareness of what a bunch of greedy, selfish, ttish ingrates the Nats are).

Powerful thing is public opinion

But, as we all know (and as with yourself even) expulsion is not the desired option, oh no, the preferred option is a MASSIVE flounce!

Edited by Wombat3 on Tuesday 8th April 01:58

[Siscar]

Edinburger said:

You've said that before. Eviction isn't an option. It's not the Big Brother house

Why not?

I'm not saying it should or would happen, but in the incredibly unlikely event that the legislation to make it happen was put to Westminster and a majority in both Houses voted in favour then what's stopping it?

[McWigglebum4th]

Wombat3 said:

That wouldn't stop a bunch of people campaigning for it (just in order to raise awareness of what a bunch of greedy, selfish, ttish ingrates the Nats are).

Powerful thing is public opinion

But, as we all know (and as with yourself even) expulsion is not the desired option, oh no, the preferred option is a MASSIVE flounce!

Edited by Wombat3 on Tuesday 8th April 01:58

But would Scotland be allowed back?

I think not

[simoid]

Just been informed that a yes scotland billboard in Bo'ness has been 'amended' to include the mantra "Scotland is British vote no".