Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5

[eharding]

McWigglebum4th said:

Calvib said:

Your teacher just rang. You left your ball in the playground.

What happens if 6 million chinese people come to live in scotland?

There's going to be new-found sense of confusion between those national icons Billy Connolly and Sean Connery, for a while at least?

[HenryJM]

Calvib said:

HenryJM said:

Calvib said:

I shall be boycotting them too - they support the no vote.

You don't surprise me, the Nat attitude is appalling.

I notice you don't criticise unionists for suggesting they would boycott Scottish products though. Completely to be expected from such a biased unionist stance though.

I can't say I've seen or heard anyone do that. There is the practical issue that some people in the UK won't include Scottish products in a buy british effort, but that's not the same thing.

[Calvib]

Borghetto said:

davepoth said:

A bit, probably. For a while. We got over Ireland.

We did have to make them a multi-billion pound emergency loan to them a few years back. Who remember's that eejit Salmond droning on about the arc of prosperity and telling all and sundry how Sterling was finished - what a prize dick.

I'd rather have Ireland's debt than the UK's. That's the real unsustainable issue.

[///ajd]

Calvib said:

///ajd said:

Come on then Calvib, lets debate social inequality, and

1) what the SNP will do post independence, and how, and
2) why they haven't done something already

GO!

Independence will provide the maximum amount of flexibility in policy making to realise such changes.

You will have to ask the SNP specifically what their plans are. But they will have the 'fiscal and social levers' to realise change. See where the land lies on independence day - a lot will will happen between then and the yes vote.

I thought you wanted to debate these point, rather than just say ask the SNP? I thought the guys on the stand in Inverness had all the answers?

Why has the SNP not acted already since 2007 (7 years)? They could have raised taxes to pay for more for the poor? They could even have given the money they gave to the rich for free uni and free presciptions to the poor. But they didn't and won't.

What makes you think the SNP will be any different after independence? Its a fallacy.

What fiscal levers will they have? The economic arguments are that an iScot will be worse off - so how is that going to help the poor?

[Sway]

Calvib said:

Sway said:

I thought the campaigners who so impressed you had all the answers?

What 'fiscal and social levers'? You don't have to state what will happen, but the levers available would be interesting.

No, that was not what I said. I said they had answers to my questions.

Fair enough.

So, what levers become available to an iScot? Fiscal and social.

[Borghetto]

Calvib said:

I'd rather have Ireland's debt than the UK's. That's the real unsustainable issue.

By happy coincidence you'll be getting your full share of the UK's debt - that'll keep you warm at night.

[HenryJM]

Calvib said:

Do you appreciate how important the oil and gas revenue has been to the UK in the last 30+ years? Permitted the boom of the financial markets. Ironic really. Without oil, the UK balance of payments is in trouble. Hence the increasing desperation of Westmonster.

Do you know how unimportant oil and gas revenue is now? Or how much of a cost they will become as the allowances for decommissioning cut in?

But no, economics and business, two things you clearly know nothing about.

[Axionknight]

McWigglebum4th said:

What happens if 6 million chinese people come to live in scotland?

Then I finally get to fk a "yellow", happy days.

[Calvib]

///ajd said:

Calvib said:

///ajd said:

Come on then Calvib, lets debate social inequality, and

1) what the SNP will do post independence, and how, and
2) why they haven't done something already

GO!

Independence will provide the maximum amount of flexibility in policy making to realise such changes.

You will have to ask the SNP specifically what their plans are. But they will have the 'fiscal and social levers' to realise change. See where the land lies on independence day - a lot will will happen between then and the yes vote.

I thought you wanted to debate? I thought the guys on the stand in Inverness had all the answers?

Why has the SNP not acting already? They could have raised taxes to pay for more for the poor? They could even have given the money they gave to the rich for free uni and free presciptions to the poor. But they didn't.

What makes you think the SNP will be any different after independence? Its a fallacy.

What fiscal levers will they have? The economic arguments are that an iScot will be worse off - so how is that going to help the poor?

The rUK will be worse off than Scotland.
Scotland's GDP is the same as rUKs without oil.
14th richest country in the world compared to UK at 20th.
rUK will need to buy energy off of Scotland after independence (so that national grid will be staying exactly as it is, if we're nice to you )

[HenryJM]

Calvib said:

Borghetto said:

davepoth said:

A bit, probably. For a while. We got over Ireland.

We did have to make them a multi-billion pound emergency loan to them a few years back. Who remember's that eejit Salmond droning on about the arc of prosperity and telling all and sundry how Sterling was finished - what a prize dick.

I'd rather have Ireland's debt than the UK's. That's the real unsustainable issue.

Hmm, 123% of GDP in a currency that's not theirs as opposed the 90% in a currency that is our's (and a third of that is owed to ourselves).

Obviously a choice made out of emotion and bias, not out of logic or knowledge.

[Calvib]

HenryJM said:

Calvib said:

HenryJM said:

Calvib said:

I shall be boycotting them too - they support the no vote.

You don't surprise me, the Nat attitude is appalling.

I notice you don't criticise unionists for suggesting they would boycott Scottish products though. Completely to be expected from such a biased unionist stance though.

I can't say I've seen or heard anyone do that. There is the practical issue that some people in the UK won't include Scottish products in a buy british effort, but that's not the same thing.

You need a geography lesson mate. Scotland will still be part of the British Isles (i.e. British) after independence. We just won't be in the UK. But we can still use the Union Flag.

[Axionknight]

Calvib said:

The rUK will be worse off than Scotland.
Scotland's GDP is the same as rUKs without oil.
14th richest country in the world compared to UK at 20th.
rUK will need to buy energy off of Scotland after independence (so that national grid will be staying exactly as it is, if we're nice to you )

How much of the start up and running costs of an indy nation does this 14th place take into account?

Infact, how much will it cost to set iScotland up?

[anonymous-user]

Calvib said:

You need a geography lesson mate. Scotland will still be part of the British Isles (i.e. British) after independence. We just won't be in the UK. But we can still use the Union Flag.

Scotland can use the Union flag when it's not in the union?

[HenryJM]

Calvib said:

The rUK will be worse off than Scotland.
Scotland's GDP is the same as rUKs without oil.
14th richest country in the world compared to UK at 20th.
rUK will need to buy energy off of Scotland after independence (so that national grid will be staying exactly as it is, if we're nice to you )

So what's your background in economics? A level/higher, degree? Masters, PhD maybe? Or do you just read Wings over Scotland?

[///ajd]

Calvib said:

I'd rather have Ireland's debt than the UK's. That's the real unsustainable issue.

Really? Irish debt is 124% of GDP.

The UKs is only 90% of GDP and has now stablised, before the on-going recovery hopefully returns it to around 30-40%.

[NoNeed]

Calvib said:

I'd rather have Ireland's debt than the UK's. That's the real unsustainable issue.

Don't worry you soon may have.

Edited by NoNeed on Monday 21st July 21:09

[HenryJM]

Calvib said:

You need a geography lesson mate. Scotland will still be part of the British Isles (i.e. British) after independence. We just won't be in the UK. But we can still use the Union Flag.

Scotland is in the British Isles but nobody buying british in the UK would include Scotland.

[Calvib]

el stovey said:

Calvib said:

You need a geography lesson mate. Scotland will still be part of the British Isles (i.e. British) after independence. We just won't be in the UK. But we can still use the Union Flag.

Scotland can use the Union flag when it's not in the union?

Do your history...

[Borghetto]

Lucky for you Calvib that the three stooges running the SNP have a grand plan for finding work for all those unfortunate enough to find their jobs going south post independence. Still being such a rich country this will have no effect on your new country's great wealth.

[Calvib]

HenryJM said:

Calvib said:

You need a geography lesson mate. Scotland will still be part of the British Isles (i.e. British) after independence. We just won't be in the UK. But we can still use the Union Flag.

Scotland is in the British Isles but nobody buying british in the UK would include Scotland.

Not a drop of malt shall pass an Englishman's lips, eh?