Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5

[mercGLowner]

Newsnight interview with car salesman Salmond....starts about 45 minutes in.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04bn62d/news...

[mcdjl]

Dear Alex,
Yes we do share the Queen as head of state with Canada, also with Australia, new Zealand and a few other places. We don't share a currency or lender of last resort with any of them as they're INDEPENDENT of the UK.
Hope this clears things up,
The UK.

[Silverbullet767]

Well, that was just uncomfortable to watch. This is the man the yes voters are putting their faith in?

So, we'll keep the pound, keep the bank of England as a lender of last resort and have the bank of England setting Scottish interest rates. Really sounds like independence..

We have all that already, and will be guaranteed to have it with a no vote. So why vote yes?

Right now the only reason I can think of is, because reasons. Makes as much sense as the yes campaign!

[Einion Yrth]

Silverbullet767 said:

Well, that was just uncomfortable to watch. This is the man the yes voters are putting their faith in?

So, we'll keep the pound, keep the bank of England as a lender of last resort and have the bank of England setting Scottish interest rates. Really sounds like independence..

We have all that already, and will be guaranteed to have it with a no vote. So why vote yes?

So that fat Eck can be president?

[mercGLowner]

I think he has entered the desperation, clutching at straws stage in his campaign. When he quietly and firmly says at the end of the interview 'we will win' - it says game over to me. He did manage to get a Tory dig in, why does he always always do this? The UK has a coalition Govt and the No campaign unifies all the UK mainstream parties, so why does he turn it round to those nasty Tories whenever he has the opportunity.

[Einion Yrth]

mercGLowner said:

I think he has entered the desperation, clutching at straws stage in his campaign. When he quietly and firmly says at the end of the interview 'we will win' - it says game over to me. He did manage to get a Tory dig in, why does he always always do this? The UK has a coalition Govt and the No campaign unifies all the UK mainstream parties, so why does he turn it round to those nasty Tories whenever he has the opportunity.

It plays well with thick, chippy lefties and bigots; you know, his core vote.

[Moonhawk]

Borghetto said:

...declaring that 19th September will be the day of reckoning.

It will be for the government department responsible for renewing all those 'victim' cards for another 20 years

[NailedOn]

If the vote is No, what is the legal position on a subsequent referendum ?
It feels like Yes would be forever but No until the next time. Is this so?

[Welshbeef]

mercGLowner said:

Newsnight interview with car salesman Salmond....starts about 45 minutes in.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04bn62d/news...

So given the last strong challenge she gave him his only comeback was the Queen as head of state

Does that = all the other issues you are correct or I'm finished?



Interesting that his last comment he will win - therefore if he loses he will step down (as is the only logical option for him and Sturgeon )

[skyrover]

NailedOn said:

If the vote is No, what is the legal position on a subsequent referendum ?
It feels like Yes would be forever but No until the next time. Is this so?

Should be at least 50 years IMO, so that all current political leaders time will have passed on.

[Moonhawk]

NailedOn said:

It feels like Yes would be forever but No until the next time. Is this so?

Pretty much. Nationalists will continue to complain and put pressure until another referendum is called.

Referendums in Scotland seem to come at approximately 18 year intervals.

1979 - Devolution Referendum
1997 - Devolution Referendum
2014 - Independence Referendum

I reckon that in the late 2020s we will start to see a ramping up towards another one sometime around the early to mid 2030s.

This will continue ad-infinitum until they get the answer they want.

[anonymous-user]

skyrover said:

NailedOn said:

If the vote is No, what is the legal position on a subsequent referendum ?
It feels like Yes would be forever but No until the next time. Is this so?

Should be at least 50 years IMO, so that all current political leaders time will have passed on.

What, so my kids can look forward to being slagged off and derided by the likes of Vipervib and Fluff's kids, because they had the Nasty Evil Tory characteristic of being born in England? No thanks. Make it another 300 years.

Or, 5 years and give us a say south of the border. If Scotland wants its independence, then let England vote on it. That's the quickest and most reliable way out of the union.

[simoid]

NailedOn said:

If the vote is No, what is the legal position on a subsequent referendum ?
It feels like Yes would be forever but No until the next time. Is this so?

Yes Scotland say it will be a "once in a lifetime opportunity" so I will be appalled if I have to vote on this issue twice.

[Moonhawk]

OpulentBob said:

Or, 5 years and give us a say south of the border. If Scotland wants its independence, then let England vote on it. That's the quickest and most reliable way out of the union.

Nah - when it comes to nationalists - the only thing that would be worse than losing an independence referendum - would be winning it thanks to English voters

[Moonhawk]

simoid said:

Yes Scotland say it will be a "once in a lifetime opportunity" so I will be appalled if I have to vote on this issue twice.

They didn't say whose lifetime though..........

[mcdjl]

Moonhawk said:

OpulentBob said:

Or, 5 years and give us a say south of the border. If Scotland wants its independence, then let England vote on it. That's the quickest and most reliable way out of the union.

Nah - when it comes to nationalists - the only thing that would be worse than losing an independence referendum - would be winning it thanks to English voters

I'd feel sorry for the Scots that didn't want it and it wouldn't solve my issue: the annoying whining, it'd just be about a different (slightly) topic.

[simoid]

mercGLowner said:

Newsnight interview with car salesman Salmond....starts about 45 minutes in.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04bn62d/news...

Question one.

"You need to convince a lot of people to vote independence, can you make up the gap?"

"(sniggers) yes we can, we did it in 2011 in the election."


Errr, that was an election and you are the SNP. We're talking about a referendum, and not a vote for the SNP

Dishonesty/spin in the first 10 seconds of interview.

[simoid]

You just can't get a straight answer from the SNP. They're so ridiculously happy to discuss the debate about the issues, why Westminster isn't quite right, have a dig at the BBC, point out that we'll keep the Queen, anything, ANYTHING other than the actual issues at hand.

Squirrel indeed.

[Moonhawk]

simoid said:

"You need to convince a lot of people to vote independence, can you make up the gap?"

"(sniggers) yes we can, we did it in 2011 in the election."

Well - it does appear to confirm one thing......in Salmond's mind at least - a vote for independence truly is a vote for the SNP.

[FourWheelDrift]