Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5

Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5

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simoid

19,772 posts

159 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Big Rod said:
But it'll make it fairer!
Equality FTW, eh.

Saw some "abusive partner" stuff floating about the Facebook earlier on, not sure if it's come directly from Yes Scotland but it had their logo on it - was along the lines of "would you stay with a partner who made threats about you leaving?" Etc

The usual emotional yet factually challened stuff.

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

220 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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simoid said:
Saw some "abusive partner" stuff floating about the Facebook earlier on.....
Just looking at their FB page now.

How come when anyone outside Scotland voices an opinion that the union is better together - they get told to keep their nose out - yet they are happy to accept support from such people. They currently have a picture of Frank Skinner with a quote attributed to him:

"If I was Scottish I think i'd probably vote Yes"

I wonder how much bile Frank got from unionists for saying that......I wonder if it was on par with JK?



Axionknight

8,505 posts

136 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Out of interest, has anyone seen any turn out predictions/estimations they could share? I'd be interested to see what percentage of the voting population are going to make the trip to the ballot box on voting day.

Big Rod

6,200 posts

217 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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simoid said:
Equality FTW, eh.

Saw some "abusive partner" stuff floating about the Facebook earlier on, not sure if it's come directly from Yes Scotland but it had their logo on it - was along the lines of "would you stay with a partner who made threats about you leaving?" Etc

The usual emotional yet factually challened stuff.
I know. It's tiresome.

Walford

2,259 posts

167 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Just leave we dont give a F,,,,,,,,,,,
is bettertogether based on any fact, do the rUK want to keep scotland, who says this is the case?

GetCarter

29,394 posts

280 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Axionknight said:
Out of interest, has anyone seen any turn out predictions/estimations they could share? I'd be interested to see what percentage of the voting population are going to make the trip to the ballot box on voting day.
I think it'll be high (compared to the usual Westminster turnout). Having talked locally, almost everyone in our village will vote. I know of only 3 people that intend to vote yes. Two of those are English! All the native Scots bar one that I've spoken to will vote no. But that's a Highland thing, it's lowland Scotland that host most of the yes voters. Having looked at the demographic, it's male 20s 30s in Glasgow & surrounds that are most likely to vote yes. (There are lots of them mind!)

bigkeeko

1,370 posts

144 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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GetCarter said:
it's lowland Scotland that host most of the yes voters.
I`m about as south as it gets and at my workplace for example it`s 70-80% No.

GetCarter

29,394 posts

280 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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bigkeeko said:
GetCarter said:
it's lowland Scotland that host most of the yes voters.
I`m about as south as it gets and at my workplace for example it`s 70-80% No.
Well that's good. Last Poll I saw said most likely to vote yes was Glasgow, male, 20-40, little education. Most likely to vote no was educated, female, over 40, rural.

Axionknight

8,505 posts

136 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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GetCarter said:
I think it'll be high (compared to the usual Westminster turnout). Having talked locally, almost everyone in our village will vote. I know of only 3 people that intend to vote yes. Two of those are English! All the native Scots bar one that I've spoken to will vote no. But that's a Highland thing, it's lowland Scotland that host most of the yes voters. Having looked at the demographic, it's male 20s 30s in Glasgow & surrounds that are most likely to vote yes. (There are lots of them mind!)
Interesting, I'm also looking forward to seeing the stats for the younger voters included in the referendum, /nerd

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

220 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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GetCarter said:
But that's a Highland thing, it's lowland Scotland that host most of the yes voters.
At first I found that statement a little puzzling. Much of the Yes campaign seems to be based on socialist ideals and anti-tory rhetoric - yet the lowland areas close to the border with England have usually gained reasonable support for the Conservatives.

Indeed their only MP in Scotland was from one of these areas - and the two neighbouring areas also on the border saw Tory support exceed 30% of the popular vote.

I guess however when you consider the lowlands as a whole (including the large metropolitan area of Glasgow - overall the Yes campaign probably does have a lot of support.


GetCarter

29,394 posts

280 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Moonhawk said:
GetCarter said:
But that's a Highland thing, it's lowland Scotland that host most of the yes voters.
At first I found that statement a little puzzling. Much of the Yes campaign seems to be based on socialist ideals and anti-tory rhetoric - yet the lowland areas close to the border with England have usually gained reasonable support for the Conservatives.

Indeed their only MP in Scotland was from one of these areas - and the two neighbouring areas also on the border saw Tory support exceed 30% of the popular vote.

I guess however when you consider the lowlands as a whole (including the large metropolitan area of Glasgow - overall the Yes campaign probably does have a lot of support.
It's also a numbers thing... there are very few of us up here. Wester Ross.... huge area, population 6001 (the one is my dog I think), so we'll have little impact on the vote as a whole.

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

220 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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GetCarter said:
It's also a numbers thing... there are very few of us up here. Wester Ross.... population 6001 (the one is my dog I think), so we'll have little impact on the vote as a whole.
It is ironic that one of the key things that the Yes voters seem to have a problem with (i.e. the large population of England holding apparent sway over the politics of the entire UK) - could actually play itself out in miniature during the referendum.

Or doesn't that matter to yes voters because "we're all Scottish".



bigkeeko

1,370 posts

144 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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GetCarter said:
Last Poll I saw said most likely to vote yes was Glasgow, male, 20-40, little education. Most likely to vote no was educated, female, over 40, rural.
Alarming but entirely believable. Is there a link for this?

GetCarter

29,394 posts

280 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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bigkeeko said:
GetCarter said:
Last Poll I saw said most likely to vote yes was Glasgow, male, 20-40, little education. Most likely to vote no was educated, female, over 40, rural.
Alarming but entirely believable. Is there a link for this?
it was in one of my previous posts... I'll try and find the source.

GetCarter

29,394 posts

280 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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GetCarter said:
bigkeeko said:
GetCarter said:
Last Poll I saw said most likely to vote yes was Glasgow, male, 20-40, little education. Most likely to vote no was educated, female, over 40, rural.
Alarming but entirely believable. Is there a link for this?
it was in one of my previous posts... I'll try and find the source.
There are loads of pages about this if you google Scottish Independence demographic... this is not the one I was looking at, but it's one of many: http://www.scotcen.org.uk/media/176046/2012-who-su...

Zod

35,295 posts

259 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Something to think about for some people in this thread

Daniel Hannan said:
“It’s not so much the stats that have convinced me,” says a friend in Aberdeen, “it’s the people”. She has voted for three different parties including the SNP, enthusiastically backed devolution in 1998, and was open-minded about independence. What settled her into the No camp in the end was that its spokesmen came across as more reasonable. “Both lots will tell you that Scotland would be better off their way, but the ‘Yes’ folk just sound so angry all the time”.

When I mentioned our conversation to another friend, this one a strong SNP supporter, he groaned with the air of a man who had had the point put to him many times. “If we lose this thing – and I’m not saying we will, but if we do – it’ll be because of the ****ing cybernats”.

bigkeeko

1,370 posts

144 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Cheers GC

GetCarter

29,394 posts

280 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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simoid

19,772 posts

159 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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bigkeeko said:
GetCarter said:
it's lowland Scotland that host most of the yes voters.
I`m about as south as it gets and at my workplace for example it`s 70-80% No.
Does that not mean you're in the southern uplands, and not the lowlands? :-)

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

220 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Guam said:
Very useful, looks like the idea of having the teenagers given the vote might backfire on my new brethren.
Who would have thought the kids appear more mature then their elders? Go figure.
Plus - they don't have the baggage of Thatcherism weighing them down.

The whole poll tax thing for which there is still much resentment amongst older members, was 25 years ago. Well before many who now have the vote were even born.

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