Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5
Discussion
Moonhawk said:
In the 2010 general election - the Tories only managed to win 1 seat out of 59 (1.7%) despite gaining 16.7% of the vote (according to the BBC).
If you look at "number of seats won", Tory support appears to be only a tiny minority - when in fact 1 in 6 people who voted in 2010, voted Tory.
But if they really want to see DC in power (in rUK) after the next general election they should vote YESIf you look at "number of seats won", Tory support appears to be only a tiny minority - when in fact 1 in 6 people who voted in 2010, voted Tory.
Boo! UK doesn't get the debate on STV. What on earth are ITV doing? They could at least bung it on ITV3 or something.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/07/w...
I would have thought a significant number of Brits in the rUK would want to watch it - I think we could all skip a Midsummer Murders repeat for just 1 week, I'm sure its viewers would survive!
Is this link, are they all baddies?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Party
Are there any with redeeming features, or are they all fundamentally unpleasant?
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/07/w...
I would have thought a significant number of Brits in the rUK would want to watch it - I think we could all skip a Midsummer Murders repeat for just 1 week, I'm sure its viewers would survive!
Is this link, are they all baddies?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Party
Are there any with redeeming features, or are they all fundamentally unpleasant?
Edited by ///ajd on Wednesday 30th July 19:36
I had an SNP news paper put through the door a few weeks ago, it made its way straight to the bin but on the front cover was a "ITS A YES", claiming 56% of people polled intended to vote yes. 
Not sure where the poll was undertaken or how many were asked, though.
Everything else I have seen, including on the links provided a few days ago, has been a no, although the gap has closed.
What do they need to do, IMO? Answer the questions put to them on the big issues honestly, instead of blustering and lying, but then again, maybe the truth will hurt their campaign more than help it.
Getting to the point where I am sick of hearing it now, I live in Aberdeen which has its own little micro-economy within Scotland and the UK anyway, so I doubt even a catastrophic melt down after a yes vote would really diddle the area, the worst they can do is put taxes up to a sky high level and folk would simply take their skills elsewhere. As for the rest of Scotland, after seeing a lot of the anti English racism bandied about - I couldn't give a s
t if they voted yes then went down the pan.
Part of me would enjoy it.
Not sure where the poll was undertaken or how many were asked, though.
Everything else I have seen, including on the links provided a few days ago, has been a no, although the gap has closed.
What do they need to do, IMO? Answer the questions put to them on the big issues honestly, instead of blustering and lying, but then again, maybe the truth will hurt their campaign more than help it.
Getting to the point where I am sick of hearing it now, I live in Aberdeen which has its own little micro-economy within Scotland and the UK anyway, so I doubt even a catastrophic melt down after a yes vote would really diddle the area, the worst they can do is put taxes up to a sky high level and folk would simply take their skills elsewhere. As for the rest of Scotland, after seeing a lot of the anti English racism bandied about - I couldn't give a s
t if they voted yes then went down the pan.Part of me would enjoy it.
A.J.M said:
Have a real beauty of a reason to vote yes.
Apparently, we will lose free prescriptions, elderly health care and the gov can frack in out back gardens as they have the licence to do so.
bds! Tory bds coming up and stealing our gas!
Looks like its going to be the bApparently, we will lose free prescriptions, elderly health care and the gov can frack in out back gardens as they have the licence to do so.
b
ds! Tory bds coming up and stealing our gas!d Scots stealing ours 
Axionknight said:
I live in Aberdeen which has its own little micro-economy within Scotland and the UK anyway, so I doubt even a catastrophic melt down after a yes vote would really diddle the area, the worst they can do is put taxes up to a sky high level and folk would simply take their skills elsewhere. .
It's incredible how fragile a thing like an economy is. Basically built on bullst, hope and trust, once the latter starts to falter then we're struggling. Sky high taxes and people moving sway from Aberdeen could dent even the strength of the oil economy up with you.There's obviously a lot of people with a lot of money who would be fine, but there's also a lot of younger folk who are stretched because of the high cost of living (especially housing) even though they are on "higher than average" salaries.
What I'm saying is: a yes vote could still f
k Aberdeen 
Moonhawk said:
barryrs said:
Looks like its going to be the bd Scots stealing ours
You know - i'm starting to think the yessers may be onto something about mineral rights being split geographically d Scots stealing ours 
How does it go?
Ah yes
"we're sooooo culturally different that we need to be independent from the UK so that we can have an English government making decisions for English people"
Translates to
"f
k me look at all the oil, lets ditch the bds on the other side of the border, we're gonna be Riiiiich! FreeeeeDOM!!!No where have we seen that before
Axionknight said:
I had an SNP news paper put through the door a few weeks ago, it made its way straight to the bin but on the front cover was a "ITS A YES", claiming 56% of people polled intended to vote yes.
Not sure where the poll was undertaken or how many were asked, though.
Everything else I have seen, including on the links provided a few days ago, has been a no, although the gap has closed.
What do they need to do, IMO? Answer the questions put to them on the big issues honestly, instead of blustering and lying, but then again, maybe the truth will hurt their campaign more than help it.
Getting to the point where I am sick of hearing it now, I live in Aberdeen which has its own little micro-economy within Scotland and the UK anyway, so I doubt even a catastrophic melt down after a yes vote would really diddle the area, the worst they can do is put taxes up to a sky high level and folk would simply take their skills elsewhere. As for the rest of Scotland, after seeing a lot of the anti English racism bandied about - I couldn't give a st if they voted yes then went down the pan.
Part of me would enjoy it.
The following would be a really interesting political strategy:Not sure where the poll was undertaken or how many were asked, though.
Everything else I have seen, including on the links provided a few days ago, has been a no, although the gap has closed.
What do they need to do, IMO? Answer the questions put to them on the big issues honestly, instead of blustering and lying, but then again, maybe the truth will hurt their campaign more than help it.
Getting to the point where I am sick of hearing it now, I live in Aberdeen which has its own little micro-economy within Scotland and the UK anyway, so I doubt even a catastrophic melt down after a yes vote would really diddle the area, the worst they can do is put taxes up to a sky high level and folk would simply take their skills elsewhere. As for the rest of Scotland, after seeing a lot of the anti English racism bandied about - I couldn't give a s
t if they voted yes then went down the pan.Part of me would enjoy it.
- convince a significant minority of the population to vote Yes using nothing more than bullst and unworkable promises
- spam/fill the airwaves with misinformation (9.6% vs 9.3%, currency union! automatic EU membership, charge UK students, etc, etc)
- voters get slightly turned off by attempts to explain that bullst is bullst
- 'with only a short time to go!come out with various statements of irrefutable truth and make it all about emotion in a last ditch gamble to gain some more yesser, for example:
He explained that he was willing to negotiate a currency union with the rest of the UK, but if this was not practicable he would instead resort to the plan B of (insert plan B).
On EU membership, he admitted that Scotland would be highly unlikely to gain automatic EU membership, and it could be some years before we gained membership, but also reminded voters that this is not a vote for a few years, but for the rest of Scotland's future.
He finished by saying 'just vote yes if your life is s
t, it might get a wee bit better, ken?'"simoid said:
He finished by saying 'just vote yes if your life is st, it might get a wee bit better, ken?'"
That would be funny if it wasn't tragically true for a lot of Yessers. I've had it said to me, and the fact there will be people without jobs, reduced state services for several YEARS is a price worth paying. Failing to see that it could likely be irreversible for many.t, it might get a wee bit better, ken?'"simoid said:
There's obviously a lot of people with a lot of money who would be fine, but there's also a lot of younger folk who are stretched because of the high cost of living (especially housing) even though they are on "higher than average" salaries.
Tell me about it, we had to pay eleventy six billion million pounds for our family home, I was in tears signing the mortgage, we aren't stretched to breaking point and have plenty of slack left over, but still.... Ouch 
Anyway if it starts going down the s
t tip we will just leave - we want to in a few years once we have kids and they are a little bit older, the boss lady lived in Australia and we fancy going back - if yes happens it'll just accelerate that, unless things end up as a lovely socialist utopia of course. 
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