Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5

[HenryJM]

Walford said:

Could a major banking economy like Scotland to join the Euro and save it

Well to answer bits of it:

A(n) major banking economy like Scotland could not to join the Euro

Scotland doesn't qualify and given the information produced to date (no home currency, no bank of last resort) Scotland will never qualify to join the Euro.

[Ayahuasca]

Axionknight said:

Ayahuasca said:

If Scotland becomes independent foreign holidays will be cheaper!



(Surprised the SNP hasn't used this yet)

Good exchange rate on the Scottish Groat huh?

No, but foreign holidays will start at Berwick

[mercGLowner]

Edinburger said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

Edinburger said:

Doesn't matter - I regularly see Yes campaigners in in most towns and cities across Scotland, either chapping doors or holding a stall in a street /shopping centre, or holding open events to discuss independence. People who are passionate about independence openly talking with the Scottish people. I also receive mailings, newletters, etc., from the Yes crowd.

What do I see from No? The square root of sod all. Apart from press releases telling us why the Yes side are wrong and pictures of Darling portrayed as someone we should trust.

And you would trust Salmond? You'd have to be delusional.

That's subjective but he's been a good PM for Scotland and is well regarded in the popularity polls.

Just a small point of order Mr Burger, Salmond is not a PM, he is an FM. Somewhat subservient to the PM of the United Kingdom . Why would the PM ever consider debating with someone who is not his equal?

[perdu]

mercGLowner said:

Edinburger said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

Edinburger said:

Doesn't matter - I regularly see Yes campaigners in in most towns and cities across Scotland, either chapping doors or holding a stall in a street /shopping centre, or holding open events to discuss independence. People who are passionate about independence openly talking with the Scottish people. I also receive mailings, newletters, etc., from the Yes crowd.

What do I see from No? The square root of sod all. Apart from press releases telling us why the Yes side are wrong and pictures of Darling portrayed as someone we should trust.

And you would trust Salmond? You'd have to be delusional.

That's subjective but he's been a good PM for Scotland and is well regarded in the popularity polls.

Just a small point of order Mr Burger, Salmond is not a PM, he is an FM. Somewhat subservient to the PM of the United Kingdom . Why would the PM ever consider debating with someone who is not his equal?

A further point of order Mr mercGLowner

I expect he talks to Clegglet at times

If he really has to...

[Walford]

if Scotland vote yes, but Orkney's and Shetlands vote no, could they stay in rUK

[mcdjl]

Walford said:

if Scotland vote yes, but Orkney's and Shetlands vote no, could they stay in rUK

We've been told by some nationalists and undecided voters that such a situation would either be highly unlikely (ie they wouldn't be stupid enough to vote that way) or preposterous (ie unsustainable in terms of links to the main land) and that we should give up all such thoughts.

[Welshbeef]

mcdjl said:

We've been told by some nationalists and undecided voters that such a situation would either be highly unlikely (ie they wouldn't be stupid enough to vote that way) or preposterous (ie unsustainable in terms of links to the main land) and that we should give up all such thoughts.

The Highlands and Islands made formal demands to the SNP and Scottiah govt that IF the vote was a yes that they have a referendum within 7 days following that vote options
1. To remain within rUK
2. To join iScotland
3. to become totally Independant seperate from iScotland


Alex Salmond at the time literally LOL at the suggestion and said as no no no that will not happen utterly preposterous (a word he loves to use continuously).


It raises an interesting question though as to why iScotland wouldn't not grant those areas a referendum due to the fact Holyrood is so far away and doesn't understand the needs of the Islandssrs (exact same arguement that SNP used re Westminster). Why would they not want self determination.
Oh I know the answer - if they did and they voted for either option that didn't mean staying with iScptland nearly all the oil would go- the geographical share of the oil sits firmly with the islands or I guess Alex would demand hey no sorry its now per capita else his pipedream suddenly loses a chunk of its budget funding.

Also he cannot comprehend why they would want to split and rejoin/never leave UK.

[Welshbeef]

So yet another large company putting support behind the Pro Union campaign and also highlighting the very significant costs and credit rating downgrade they would suffer from a Pro Yes result.



So far I have only seen BA not go pro yes or pro no as in indifferent every other large company who has spoken out has flagged up huge risk costs uncertainty loss of investment etc.
Whereas Business for Scotland companies speaking out for Pro Yes - one was a local sheep shearer another a Glaswegian single outlet corner shop.


Why is this? It seems that no business of any significance / or who has trade in both locations has said ProYes result is a good result. Not one.


Any Pro Yes want to comment as to why the huge list of Pro Yes companies have spoken out and listed real £damage loss of investment job losses etc.

I guess Salmond will say bluster again nd bullying and they don't really mean it in the formal SNP response. He likes those phrases I hope they cease being used by 19/9 as the over use is preposterous ...

[McWigglebum4th]

Welshbeef said:

So yet another large company putting support behind the Pro Union campaign and also highlighting the very significant costs and credit rating downgrade they would suffer from a Pro Yes result.



So far I have only seen BA not go pro yes or pro no as in indifferent every other large company who has spoken out has flagged up huge risk costs uncertainty loss of investment etc.
Whereas Business for Scotland companies speaking out for Pro Yes - one was a local sheep shearer another a Glaswegian single outlet corner shop.


Why is this? It seems that no business of any significance / or who has trade in both locations has said ProYes result is a good result. Not one.


Any Pro Yes want to comment as to why the huge list of Pro Yes companies have spoken out and listed real £damage loss of investment job losses etc.

I guess Salmond will say bluster again nd bullying and they don't really mean it in the formal SNP response. He likes those phrases I hope they cease being used by 19/9 as the over use is preposterous ...

Now enter the mind of a yes voter (one at a time there isn't much room)

They want to see big business destroyed in the name of fairness

[Welshbeef]

McWigglebum4th said:

Now enter the mind of a yes voter (one at a time there isn't much room)

They want to see big business destroyed in the name of fairness

Got it.

High taxes individuals who earn "high" salaries £30k+
High taxes on big business
Salmond tax for higher min wage

[mercGLowner]

Welshbeef said:

So yet another large company putting support behind the Pro Union campaign and also highlighting the very significant costs and credit rating downgrade they would suffer from a Pro Yes result.



So far I have only seen BA not go pro yes or pro no as in indifferent every other large company who has spoken out has flagged up huge risk costs uncertainty loss of investment etc.
Whereas Business for Scotland companies speaking out for Pro Yes - one was a local sheep shearer another a Glaswegian single outlet corner shop.


Why is this? It seems that no business of any significance / or who has trade in both locations has said ProYes result is a good result. Not one.


Any Pro Yes want to comment as to why the huge list of Pro Yes companies have spoken out and listed real £damage loss of investment job losses etc.

I guess Salmond will say bluster again nd bullying and they don't really mean it in the formal SNP response. He likes those phrases I hope they cease being used by 19/9 as the over use is preposterous ...

Royal bank of SCOTLAND coming out and declaring their hand in the effects of independence for Scotland to this flagship Scottish industry should be a game changer for those who are wavering and those semi committed YESers. This is hugely significant and blows a massive hole in the independence debate.

No doubt Salmond will twist the words and declare custard on RBS.

Great timing by RBS too, with the referendum now next month.......

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/08/01/uk-rbs-sc...

[mcdjl]

mercGLowner said:

Royal bank of SCOTLAND coming out and declaring their hand in the effects of independence for Scotland to this flagship Scottish industry should be a game changer for those who are wavering and those semi committed YESers. This is hugely significant and blows a massive hole in the independence debate.

No doubt Salmond will twist the words and declare custard on RBS.

Great timing by RBS too, with the referendum now next month.......

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/08/01/uk-rbs-sc...

No the mind of an undecided voter say that they're biased, they haven't outlined the risks of staying in the UK properly they should have done that as well. A no voter sees that the press release originates from London, therefore it's all a scaremongering oppressive Tory plot.

[Welshbeef]

mcdjl said:

No the mind of an undecided voter say that they're biased, they haven't outlined the risks of staying in the UK properly they should have done that as well. A no voter sees that the press release originates from London, therefore it's all a scaremongering oppressive Tory plot.

I'm pretty sure its come from RBS HQ in Scotland.

[anonymous-user]

Welshbeef said:

It raises an interesting question though as to why iScotland wouldn't not grant those areas a referendum due to the fact Holyrood is so far away and doesn't understand the needs of the Islandssrs (exact same arguement that SNP used re Westminster). Why would they not want self determination.

An excellent point.

[jjones]

when salmond fails in his bid to get turkeys to vote for christmas what will be the next step?

bleating on about devo max? or can the rUK just tell the whingers to stfu?

[skyrover]

As someone who lives and works on the border between England and Scotland, it's amazing how many Scots passing through bring up the issue of independence with many of them apologising profusely for the whole mess.

[bigkeeko]

skyrover said:

As someone who lives and works on the border between England and Scotland, it's amazing how many Scots passing through bring up the issue of independence with many of them apologising profusely for the whole mess.

Understandable. Empty vessels make the most noise.

[Borghetto]

skyrover said:

As someone who lives and works on the border between England and Scotland, it's amazing how many Scots passing through bring up the issue of independence with many of them apologising profusely for the whole mess.

And this is why we mustn't allow the whinging nationalists appear to be the only face of the Scots we see south of the border.

[Big Rod]

mercGLowner said:

Royal bank of SCOTLAND coming out and declaring their hand in the effects of independence for Scotland to this flagship Scottish industry should be a game changer for those who are wavering and those semi committed YESers. This is hugely significant and blows a massive hole in the independence debate.

No doubt Salmond will twist the words and declare custard on RBS.

Great timing by RBS too, with the referendum now next month.......

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/08/01/uk-rbs-sc...

A Nat on my FaceAche news feed posted this in retort...

"I care not one jot what the managers at RBS think about Independence. Their predecessors tarnished the reputation of the Scottish financial sector when, under Fred Goodwin's stewardship, they entered the sub prime loan market. Tesco have said they will retain their banking headquarters in Edinburgh if an iScotland comes out of the referendum. Who do you believe?"

Seems he doesn't care because he hates bankers.

Tesco have however spent considerable effort and £££s setting up their new premises recently so are unlikely to want to flush their investment down the toilet so quickly. That may change in the not too distant future though.

[mcdjl]

Welshbeef said:

mcdjl said:

No the mind of an undecided voter say that they're biased, they haven't outlined the risks of staying in the UK properly they should have done that as well. A no voter sees that the press release originates from London, therefore it's all a scaremongering oppressive Tory plot.

I'm pretty sure its come from RBS HQ in Scotland.

More than likely but the Reuters story said London