Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5

[Axionknight]

Edinburger said:

This is interesting:

Westminster will take revenge on Scots after ‘No’

Open dialogue on how different groups see this is emerging framework is helpful. We need more if this.

http://m.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/we...

A gentleman at the forefront of devolution.

Not biased at all, then. Makes me laugh - these Yes supporters going on about how the No campaign is based on fear, yet here we have a prominent Yes supporter saying that if we dont vote yes then we are doomed and the big bad Government will take the fillings out of our teeth and be mean to us.

Laughable!

Edited by Axionknight on Sunday 17th August 13:47

[HD Adam]

Axionknight said:

Edinburger said:

This is interesting:

Westminster will take revenge on Scots after ‘No’

Open dialogue on how different groups see this is emerging framework is helpful. We need more if this.

http://m.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/we...

A gentleman at the forefront of devolution.

Not biased at all, then. Makes me laugh - these Yes supporters going on about how the No campaign is based on fear, yet here we have a prominent Yes supporter saying that if we dont vote yes then we are doomed and the big bad Government will take the fillings out of our teeth and be mean to us.

Laughable!

Good job it's only the Better Together mob engaging in Scaremongering and Project Fear.

You'd never catch the Yes mob stooping that low. Oh no

[NoNeed]

Trollburger said:

Those tactics have resulted in multiple threads on this topic which is very unhelpful.

In what way have these threads been unhelpful? I would have thought that to those who were actually seeking facts in order to make the right decision these threads were invaluable.

[Alpacaman]

NoNeed said:

Trollburger said:

Those tactics have resulted in multiple threads on this topic which is very unhelpful.

In what way have these threads been unhelpful? I would have thought that to those who were actually seeking facts in order to make the right decision these threads were invaluable.

That's your mistake right there NoNeed, the nationalists aren't seeking facts, that's the last thing they want people knowing. Who in their right mind would vote yes if they understood the facts? They are happy to come on here pointing out someone who supports the SNP is going to vote yes, but as soon as they are confronted by facts or a direct question they either go into hiding or come out with some bizarre rant about the BNP or KKK as happened the other week.

[voyds9]

IF they get a YES vote and Scotland ends up in the problems we think it will who will get the blame?

Will it be the people running Scotland or will it be the nasty people in Westminster?

[NoNeed]

voyds9 said:

IF they get a YES vote and Scotland ends up in the problems we think it will who will get the blame?

Will it be the people running Scotland or will it be the nasty people in Westminster?

Thatcher, It is always Thatcher.

[Axionknight]

voyds9 said:

IF they get a YES vote and Scotland ends up in the problems we think it will who will get the blame?

Will it be the people running Scotland or will it be the nasty people in Westminster?

The Tories, clearly.

[///ajd]

Alpacaman said:

That's your mistake right there NoNeed, the nationalists aren't seeking facts, that's the last thing they want people knowing. Who in their right mind would vote yes if they understood the facts? They are happy to come on here pointing out someone who supports the SNP is going to vote yes, but as soon as they are confronted by facts or a direct question they either go into hiding or come out with some bizarre rant about the BNP or KKK as happened the other week.

I must have missed that. A question was asked of SNP supporters, and instead of answering they drew attention to the similarities between the SNP and the BNP, KKK and other bigoted groups? They usually try and play down their similar genes. Must have been a tricky question!

Edited by ///ajd on Sunday 17th August 15:32

[Troubleatmill]

Good news everyone... including Edinburgher.. Really good news.

Salmond will tell us what currency we are going to use.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...


Or not as the case may be..

[Axionknight]

Why not just announce it now!?

[Mojocvh]

NoNeed said:

voyds9 said:

IF they get a YES vote and Scotland ends up in the problems we think it will who will get the blame?

Will it be the people running Scotland or will it be the nasty people in Westminster?

Thatcher, It is always Thatcher.

Thatcher. Hmm.

Remind us which nationalist party tabled the no confidence motion that led to the General Election in '79 the one that the tories won and let Thatcher into 10 Downing street which in turn eventually led to the destruction of Scottish heavy industry along with communities across Scotland and the social deprivation we suffer to this day?

Now your man Swinney, and this is personal, he stated that the ex-nurses who completed their return to nursing courses [to reduce the the shortfall in nurses in the Scottish NHS]would have guaranteed employment AND would receive funding for the 18 months course.

Of the 36 who did this at Ninewells university hospital guess how many didn't find employment?

36.

[Troubleatmill]

Axionknight said:

Why not just announce it now!?

Well... Monday night telly is normally crap.. Might as well tune in..

My favourite line was....
He said: "I wish I'd explained one aspect in more detail to people, and I'll definitely take the next opportunity to do that, and that was the question of the currency.



Juddering ****

[gofasterrosssco]

Edinburger said:

Leading Scottish historian Sir Tom Devine has announced he is now planning to vote "Yes" in the independence referendum.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

I don't agree with his sentiments, but he is an eminent and well respected man. Not enirely surprised he's come out in support of yes however.

He's the sort of person people should be listening to for an opinion, as opposed to the usual short-sighted and divisive crap spouted by SNP and other nationalists.

[kingofdbrits]

voyds9 said:

IF they get a YES vote and Scotland ends up in the problems we think it will who will get the blame?

Will it be the people running Scotland or will it be the nasty people in Westminster?

Nasty Westminster, there's no way iScot will get everything AS is promising the scottish people, so when they don't get it, and everything goes tits, it'll be because Westminster ripped-off iScot.

[NailedOn]

Troubleatmill said:

Axionknight said:

Why not just announce it now!?

Well... Monday night telly is normally crap.. Might as well tune in..

My favourite line was....
He said: "I wish I'd explained one aspect in more detail to people, and I'll definitely take the next opportunity to do that, and that was the question of the currency.



Juddering ****

It is not unreasonable to suggest that he needs another week to dream up the tortuous argument. Short odds that if he publicly contemplates an alternative to an agreed currency union, it will be a unilateral one.
The one where B stands for Panama.
He'll also trot out the 'our sterling' line which is simply rebutted with 'our oil.'
The guy is thrashing about like a dying fish on a sharp hook.

[Chlamydia]

Axionknight said:

Why not just announce it now!?

Because he doesn't have a Scooby I'm guessing

[///ajd]

gofasterrosssco said:

Edinburger said:

Leading Scottish historian Sir Tom Devine has announced he is now planning to vote "Yes" in the independence referendum.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

I don't agree with his sentiments, but he is an eminent and well respected man. Not enirely surprised he's come out in support of yes however.

He's the sort of person people should be listening to for an opinion, as opposed to the usual short-sighted and divisive crap spouted by SNP and other nationalists.

Mmm. I agree he is clearly intelligent. I wonder what assumptions he is making though.

historian said:

But he said he had since come to the conclusion there was now "very little left in the union except sentiment, history and family".

He added: "This has been quite a long journey for me and I've only come to a Yes conclusion over the last fortnight.

"The Scottish Parliament has demonstrated competent government and it represents a Scottish people who are wedded to a social democratic agenda and the kind of political values which sustained and were embedded in the welfare state of the late 1940s and 1950s.

"It is the Scots who have succeeded most in preserving the British idea of fairness and compassion in terms of state support and intervention. Ironically, it is England, since the 1980s, which has embarked on a separate journey.

Sir Tom also said there had been a "silent transformation" of the Scottish economy from heavy industry to a more diversified model.

He said: "We have a resilient economic system and reserves of one of the most important things for an independent estate: power.

"Power through the assets of oil and also through the potential of wind energy. In this, Scotland is disproportionately endowed compared to almost all other European countries."

I can't help feel he is being a bit naive about e.g. wind energy, and also the effect of being in a union on Scotlands economy. He genuinely seems to think being part of the union has not had a significant bearing on the Scottish economy - notably via 30% of union energy levies. The is that - worth billions - in the union. Billions are a bit more than sentiment.

He also strays into dangerous terriotory when he implies Scots have more compassion and a better sense of fairness than those England (though curiously not those on Wales and NI?). Do we have another closet "we are better" nationalist here? Hmmm.

[McWigglebum4th]

///ajd said:

He also strays into dangerous terriotory when he implies Scots have more compassion and a better sense of fairness than those England (though curiously not those on Wales and NI?). Do we have another closet "we are better" nationalist here? Hmmm.

Quick scratch under the surface and there it is

The believe that we are morally superior to the english

[Moonhawk]

Troubleatmill said:

Good news everyone... including Edinburgher.. Really good news.

Salmond will tell us what currency we are going to use.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Or not as the case may be..

Who is betting it'll be the pound?

[MintyChris]

You can easily spot a nationalist in disguise. The sheer arrogance of our current fence sitter leaves no doubt. Only a nat can hold his fellow scots intelligence in such contempt and sit there claiming that be undecided. Its entirely obvious, insulting to the rest of us and cowardly to lie in such a nonchalant fashion.

Similar to our SNP leaders. Cowardly hiding behind lies and subterfuge. They are a disgrace to their profession and country.