Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5
Discussion
Welshbeef said:
ukbabz said:
#YesBecause is trending on twitter..
This one made me chuckle..
https://twitter.com/tartangladbach/status/50238704...
There are 650 MPs in Westminster of which Scotland have 59 which is directly inline with population size. This one made me chuckle..
https://twitter.com/tartangladbach/status/50238704...
Where do they get the much larger incorrect number from?
Einion Yrth said:
Welshbeef said:
ukbabz said:
#YesBecause is trending on twitter..
This one made me chuckle..
https://twitter.com/tartangladbach/status/50238704...
There are 650 MPs in Westminster of which Scotland have 59 which is directly inline with population size. This one made me chuckle..
https://twitter.com/tartangladbach/status/50238704...
Where do they get the much larger incorrect number from?
Edinburger said:
NoNeed said:
Edinburger said:
Are you some sort of forum-stalker?
No, I just don't like your brand of nationalism, which is just as dangerous and divisive as any other form of nationalism so thought your post warranted reply.There are no "different types of nationalism". This is intellectually ridiculous.
Nationalism is simple to understand. It is about separation rather than inclusion. It is about celebrating differences rather than embracing the things we have in common. It is, by its very nature, divisive. Nationalism is rooted in the notion that they feel superior to people across the border. It cannot be based on anything other than, deep down, a dislike of that thing they wish to be separated from.
The truth this reveals leads to other, contradictory issues. If someone dislikes being in a family so much that they want to leave - how can they expect the rest of the family to want to help them? Scottish independence is the same as any other family or marital break up - if they want to leave then no-one will stop them. But to expect the remaining family to actively help them do it is not only unlikely, but absurd. The big lie being made to the Scottish people is the idea that Scotland can leave and somehow the rUk will cooperate and make it easy for them. This will NEVER happen.
Axionknight said:
I am aware of its definition. I happen to think it is BS. It seems to me to be an attempt to legitimise a sentiment that is much closer to pure nationalism than people are comfortable with. It is a language created by nationalists to ease their minds so they can sleep at night, even though it remains artificial and vacuous.
Besides, even if we accept the notion of "civic nationalism" as it is defined, I do not see much evidence that it applies to the Scottish Yes vote. The Yes vote is rooted in distaste, dislike and division it seems to me given the conduct of too many nationalists.
It has been used before, but it remains appropriate: “Nationalism is an infantile thing. It is the measles of mankind.”
― Albert Einstein
Edinburger said:
With respect, I think that's a silly and somewhat naive thing to say.
There are various styles of 'nationalism'. What we're seeing in Scotland isn't ethnic or purity nationalism - far from it. It's civic nationalism and I don't see why that's a bad thing. After all, several successful countries including the US, China, South Korea, Japan, Turkey, Brazil and I'm sure several others openly practice and celebrate their nationalism.
Some clown will come along soon and start talking about national socialism a.k.a. nazism, but that's not what we're seeing emerge in Scotland.
Now - and this is not a criticism - I can see why English people struggle with the concept of nationalism. In my view, England lost it's cultural identity in the 20th century and English people don't celebrate their national identity and I find that sad. But some other countries do, including Scotland. And I don't think it's a bad thing at all.
So its Nationalism with a hat on and one of glasses/nose/moustache face disguises. I think your the naive one if you think what your suporting doesnt have a very ugly side to it. Whatever helps you be able to look at yourself in the mirror I guess.There are various styles of 'nationalism'. What we're seeing in Scotland isn't ethnic or purity nationalism - far from it. It's civic nationalism and I don't see why that's a bad thing. After all, several successful countries including the US, China, South Korea, Japan, Turkey, Brazil and I'm sure several others openly practice and celebrate their nationalism.
Some clown will come along soon and start talking about national socialism a.k.a. nazism, but that's not what we're seeing emerge in Scotland.
Now - and this is not a criticism - I can see why English people struggle with the concept of nationalism. In my view, England lost it's cultural identity in the 20th century and English people don't celebrate their national identity and I find that sad. But some other countries do, including Scotland. And I don't think it's a bad thing at all.
Im a Scot, living in Scotland and I refuse to believe we have to stoop to this level to improve ourselves. Nationalism has no place in our future. Patriotism yes, Nationalism no.
MintyChris said:
So its Nationalism with a hat on and one of glasses/nose/moustache face disguises. I think your the naive one if you think what your suporting doesnt have a very ugly side to it. Whatever helps you be able to look at yourself in the mirror I guess.
Im a Scot, living in Scotland and I refuse to believe we have to stoop to this level to improve ourselves. Nationalism has no place in our future. Patriotism yes, Nationalism no.
I think if this referendum had happened maybe 30 years ago it would have been a foregone conclusion,we would have had independence no problem.Now that the country is absolutely stacked full of Chinese,Pakistanis,Indians,Polish,Africans, whatever, most of them won't give a toss either way,so no real Scots left to vote now to say anything either way.Im a Scot, living in Scotland and I refuse to believe we have to stoop to this level to improve ourselves. Nationalism has no place in our future. Patriotism yes, Nationalism no.
For example the last time i was in Glasgow i was going to see someone that was selling an Integrale,walked into a work shop full of Pakistanis/Indians 'and',more importantly, a huge warehouse full of half cars!!!Needless to say i turned on my heels and walked out.Incidentally,in this area of Glasgow without a word of a lie i never saw one white Scot,walking or driving,i was genuinely shocked!!
Axionknight said:
I cannot help but think of this (in a Morgan Freeman voice).Red said:
I know what you think it means, sonny. To me, it's just a made up word. A politician's word, so young fellas like yourself can wear a suit and a tie, and have a job.
rumpelstiltskin said:
MintyChris said:
So its Nationalism with a hat on and one of glasses/nose/moustache face disguises. I think your the naive one if you think what your suporting doesnt have a very ugly side to it. Whatever helps you be able to look at yourself in the mirror I guess.
Im a Scot, living in Scotland and I refuse to believe we have to stoop to this level to improve ourselves. Nationalism has no place in our future. Patriotism yes, Nationalism no.
I think if this referendum had happened maybe 30 years ago it would have been a foregone conclusion,we would have had independence no problem.Now that the country is absolutely stacked full of Chinese,Pakistanis,Indians,Polish,Africans, whatever, most of them won't give a toss either way,so no real Scots left to vote now to say anything either way.Im a Scot, living in Scotland and I refuse to believe we have to stoop to this level to improve ourselves. Nationalism has no place in our future. Patriotism yes, Nationalism no.
For example the last time i was in Glasgow i was going to see someone that was selling an Integrale,walked into a work shop full of Pakistanis/Indians 'and',more importantly, a huge warehouse full of half cars!!!Needless to say i turned on my heels and walked out.Incidentally,in this area of Glasgow without a word of a lie i never saw one white Scot,walking or driving,i was genuinely shocked!!
rumpelstiltskin said:
I think if this referendum had happened maybe 30 years ago it would have been a foregone conclusion,we would have had independence no problem.Now that the country is absolutely stacked full of Chinese,Pakistanis,Indians,Polish,Africans, whatever, most of them won't give a toss either way,so no real Scots left to vote now to say anything either way.
For example the last time i was in Glasgow i was going to see someone that was selling an Integrale,walked into a work shop full of Pakistanis/Indians 'and',more importantly, a huge warehouse full of half cars!!!Needless to say i turned on my heels and walked out.Incidentally,in this area of Glasgow without a word of a lie i never saw one white Scot,walking or driving,i was genuinely shocked!!
Funny that, all the 'white' Scottish people I know here (with one exception) are voting No. Go figure.For example the last time i was in Glasgow i was going to see someone that was selling an Integrale,walked into a work shop full of Pakistanis/Indians 'and',more importantly, a huge warehouse full of half cars!!!Needless to say i turned on my heels and walked out.Incidentally,in this area of Glasgow without a word of a lie i never saw one white Scot,walking or driving,i was genuinely shocked!!
rumpelstiltskin said:
I think if this referendum had happened maybe 30 years ago it would have been a foregone conclusion,we would have had independence no problem.Now that the country is absolutely stacked full of Chinese,Pakistanis,Indians,Polish,Africans, whatever, most of them won't give a toss either way,so no real Scots left to vote now to say anything either way.
For example the last time i was in Glasgow i was going to see someone that was selling an Integrale,walked into a work shop full of Pakistanis/Indians 'and',more importantly, a huge warehouse full of half cars!!!Needless to say i turned on my heels and walked out.Incidentally,in this area of Glasgow without a word of a lie i never saw one white Scot,walking or driving,i was genuinely shocked!!
Holy sFor example the last time i was in Glasgow i was going to see someone that was selling an Integrale,walked into a work shop full of Pakistanis/Indians 'and',more importantly, a huge warehouse full of half cars!!!Needless to say i turned on my heels and walked out.Incidentally,in this area of Glasgow without a word of a lie i never saw one white Scot,walking or driving,i was genuinely shocked!!
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Proper Scottish then. 
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