Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5
Discussion
Edinburger said:
Leading Scottish historian Sir Tom Devine has announced he is now planning to vote "Yes" in the independence referendum.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...
I raise you a leading Scottish historian - with the guy at the helm of one of the biggest UK companies.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11049...
Now, which one of those two do you think understands the pro/cons of independence most?
Oh.. and you will remember RBS, Clydesdale Bank etc are also concerned about capital flight.
HenryJM said:
Big Rod said:
AstonZagato said:
Sweet baby jebus. Is it really that confrontational up there?
It's Motherwell. The area was 'decimated by Thatcher' in the '80's because British Steel closed the Ravenscraig plant. 
Brave guy to stand up there.
Big Rod said:
AstonZagato said:
Sweet baby jebus. Is it really that confrontational up there?
It's Motherwell. The area was 'decimated by Thatcher' in the '80's because British Steel closed the Ravenscraig plant. Brave guy to stand up there.
But then, they just look like what they are, as my dear old granny used to say.
McWigglebum4th said:
Edinburger said:
Borghetto said:
I wonder whether any of the PH Nats were amongst those screaming abuse at Mr Murphy. Having the PoundWorld in the background was a nice touch.
Is that because you think we're all poor up here? Presumably unlike where you are?No ones noticed that Wiggley trawls the internet for all these ridiculous videos and pictures he posts, always selecting the worst ones for maximum effect.
here have another one
|http://thumbsnap.com/U0QhF23d[/url]Well...
...For bye the 'ad hominem' slurs and speculation, (facts not withstanding), we seem to be on a bit of a wind down.
We've all vented our opinions, anger, links and vitriol but, as it stands I reckon the independence campaigners are fighting a distinct 'losing battle'.
Roll on the 19th of September, when I hope we can all just 'get on with it'.
...For bye the 'ad hominem' slurs and speculation, (facts not withstanding), we seem to be on a bit of a wind down.
We've all vented our opinions, anger, links and vitriol but, as it stands I reckon the independence campaigners are fighting a distinct 'losing battle'.
Roll on the 19th of September, when I hope we can all just 'get on with it'.
McWigglebum4th said:
Are they sharing 3 teeth between them?
Big Rod said:
Well...
...For bye the 'ad hominem' slurs and speculation, (facts not withstanding), we seem to be on a bit of a wind down.
We've all vented our opinions, anger, links and vitriol but, as it stands I reckon the independence campaigners are fighting a distinct 'losing battle'.
Roll on the 19th of September, when I hope we can all just 'get on with it'.
Actually, could the unionists claim the 19th of September as a holiday?...For bye the 'ad hominem' slurs and speculation, (facts not withstanding), we seem to be on a bit of a wind down.
We've all vented our opinions, anger, links and vitriol but, as it stands I reckon the independence campaigners are fighting a distinct 'losing battle'.
Roll on the 19th of September, when I hope we can all just 'get on with it'.
I've been lurking in this thread for a while and it seems to me that, even if the yes vote only reaches 25% then I would be better avoiding Scotland. As an English person, if I walk into a restaurant or a hotel, the chances are that more than four people will be involved in the service, therefore chances are one of them will have a hatred for the English (judging by the vitriol and some of the video links). I'm not sure I want to run that risk. Plenty of other places to visit I guess.
Axionknight said:
Not everyone who votes yes hates the English y'know -
Well they are demanding a Currency Union forcing rUK to take on huge costs to relocate trident when this trident only has 8 years to go and the new one will require a totally new facility Claiming that democracy doesn't work that they don't get the govt hey vote for being reason enough to leave the union yet I didn't get the govt I voted from 1997-2009 and I've not got the govt I wanted now no one does. Given society is moving much more towards hung parliaments how does that fit with the Scottish view they don't get the govt hey vote for? They never will plus what about the 20% of Tory voters in Scptland
Stating you will walk away from the debt...
Accusing Westminster for benefit cuts when Scotland has devolved tax rising powers to mitigate the good banks.
Charging English welsh and N Ireland students for Uni fees and claiming this will continue is a vile policy and is a huge risk for your education system/extra costs.
Moaning about trident - so all those communities who have benefitted from high class work and spend in those areas which would otherwise be yet another tourist resort.
Demanding that Navy ships will go to Scotland instead of rUKs shipyards who are unemployed and would welcome the work.
Voting in a govt which had this manifesto
Not demanding that Salmond steps down following the EU lies he wasted gpvt money covering up
Not demanding that your local govt provide a fully detailed costing of Scotland set up costs
It seems that voting No may mean the end of free education and privatisation of the NHS.
You have to wonder why when those are already devolved to Scotland. Maybe the Scottish Government will do it out of spite for people voting No.
Or maybe the are scaremongering and telling lies....
You have to wonder why when those are already devolved to Scotland. Maybe the Scottish Government will do it out of spite for people voting No.
Or maybe the are scaremongering and telling lies....
HenryJM said:
It seems that voting No may mean the end of free education and privatisation of the NHS.
You have to wonder why when those are already devolved to Scotland. Maybe the Scottish Government will do it out of spite for people voting No.
Or maybe the are scaremongering and telling lies....
This confuses me too - they've been in charge of their own budgets for years so can't really blame rUK for any failings when it's their fault.You have to wonder why when those are already devolved to Scotland. Maybe the Scottish Government will do it out of spite for people voting No.
Or maybe the are scaremongering and telling lies....
Even after the no vote, I'd like to see the playing field levelled properly; why should we give more money to Scotland for them to treat themselves to perks such as free uni etc? If UK cash is being used to provide free university places, it should be used to provide that for ALL UK residents, not just the Scots. THAT would be truly fair. If fairness is what you want, I'm sure it can be arranged,
Like I said a while back, Scotland has opened a real can of worms and made a large amount of the rUK populace aware of how unevenly things are split when those people previously had no idea. Talk about wanting to have your cake and eat it...
Funk said:
This confuses me too - they've been in charge of their own budgets for years so can't really blame rUK for any failings when it's their fault.
Even after the no vote, I'd like to see the playing field levelled properly; why should we give more money to Scotland for them to treat themselves to perks such as free uni etc? If UK cash is being used to provide free university places, it should be used to provide that for ALL UK residents, not just the Scots. THAT would be truly fair. If fairness is what you want, I'm sure it can be arranged,
Like I said a while back, Scotland has opened a real can of worms and made a large amount of the rUK populace aware of how unevenly things are split when those people previously had no idea. Talk about wanting to have your cake and eat it...
Different areas different needsEven after the no vote, I'd like to see the playing field levelled properly; why should we give more money to Scotland for them to treat themselves to perks such as free uni etc? If UK cash is being used to provide free university places, it should be used to provide that for ALL UK residents, not just the Scots. THAT would be truly fair. If fairness is what you want, I'm sure it can be arranged,
Like I said a while back, Scotland has opened a real can of worms and made a large amount of the rUK populace aware of how unevenly things are split when those people previously had no idea. Talk about wanting to have your cake and eat it...
It costs a s
tload more to empty 1000 dustbins in the highlands then it does in londonMcWigglebum4th said:
Funk said:
This confuses me too - they've been in charge of their own budgets for years so can't really blame rUK for any failings when it's their fault.
Even after the no vote, I'd like to see the playing field levelled properly; why should we give more money to Scotland for them to treat themselves to perks such as free uni etc? If UK cash is being used to provide free university places, it should be used to provide that for ALL UK residents, not just the Scots. THAT would be truly fair. If fairness is what you want, I'm sure it can be arranged,
Like I said a while back, Scotland has opened a real can of worms and made a large amount of the rUK populace aware of how unevenly things are split when those people previously had no idea. Talk about wanting to have your cake and eat it...
Different areas different needsEven after the no vote, I'd like to see the playing field levelled properly; why should we give more money to Scotland for them to treat themselves to perks such as free uni etc? If UK cash is being used to provide free university places, it should be used to provide that for ALL UK residents, not just the Scots. THAT would be truly fair. If fairness is what you want, I'm sure it can be arranged,
Like I said a while back, Scotland has opened a real can of worms and made a large amount of the rUK populace aware of how unevenly things are split when those people previously had no idea. Talk about wanting to have your cake and eat it...
It costs a s
tload more to empty 1000 dustbins in the highlands then it does in londonGetCarter said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Funk said:
This confuses me too - they've been in charge of their own budgets for years so can't really blame rUK for any failings when it's their fault.
Even after the no vote, I'd like to see the playing field levelled properly; why should we give more money to Scotland for them to treat themselves to perks such as free uni etc? If UK cash is being used to provide free university places, it should be used to provide that for ALL UK residents, not just the Scots. THAT would be truly fair. If fairness is what you want, I'm sure it can be arranged,
Like I said a while back, Scotland has opened a real can of worms and made a large amount of the rUK populace aware of how unevenly things are split when those people previously had no idea. Talk about wanting to have your cake and eat it...
Different areas different needsEven after the no vote, I'd like to see the playing field levelled properly; why should we give more money to Scotland for them to treat themselves to perks such as free uni etc? If UK cash is being used to provide free university places, it should be used to provide that for ALL UK residents, not just the Scots. THAT would be truly fair. If fairness is what you want, I'm sure it can be arranged,
Like I said a while back, Scotland has opened a real can of worms and made a large amount of the rUK populace aware of how unevenly things are split when those people previously had no idea. Talk about wanting to have your cake and eat it...
It costs a s
tload more to empty 1000 dustbins in the highlands then it does in londonMore to the point, how would iScotland carry these high costs of 'basic services' without the subsidy from rUK then...
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