Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5

Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5

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Alpacaman

917 posts

240 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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Following on from the BP Clair field thread,(a new bizarre rant from one of the nationalists) I have a new business idea if anyone's interested, I have bought a catering pack of tinfoil and a load of cheap baseball caps, I thought we could sell them to all the Yes supporters to protect them from this terrible government they didn't vote for. It's OK none of them will know about it because I have only posted it on the internet.

davepoth

29,395 posts

198 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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Cobnapint said:
So how can Scotchland afford such niceties as free uni, prescriptions, hospital parking and care for the elderly then.

Or am I missing something?
The Barnett Formula. Scotland gets around £1500 per head of population more than England.

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

261 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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Cobnapint said:
Just seen on the news that parking at hospitals is presently free in Scotland and Wales.

Does this mean in the event of a Yes vote and the SNP's quest for a fairer society, that the Scots will have to start paying too..?

Oh, thought not.
Strange I guess I must have been sleep driving into Ninewells a month ago as I'm SURE it was £2 for 4 hours....maybe it was all those free fillings I get at the dentist..Oh hang on last time it was £25 that's right...readit

Edited by Mojocvh on Saturday 23 August 14:16

HenryJM

6,315 posts

128 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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Mojocvh said:
Cobnapint said:
Just seen on the news that parking at hospitals is presently free in Scotland and Wales.

Does this mean in the event of a Yes vote and the SNP's quest for a fairer society, that the Scots will have to start paying too..?

Oh, thought not.
Strange I guess I must have been sleep driving into Ninewells a month ago as I'm SURE it was £2 for 4 hours....
£1.60 an hour at Glasgow Royal Infirmary....

HenryJM

6,315 posts

128 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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And I should add - at Weston Park Hospital in Sheffield parking is free.

ninja-lewis

4,226 posts

189 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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Cobnapint said:
So how can Scotchland afford such niceties as free uni, prescriptions, hospital parking and care for the elderly then.

Or am I missing something?
Other areas suffer. Lot less investment in Scottish schools and less access to cancer drugs compared to England.
































































ianrb

1,529 posts

139 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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Mojocvh said:
Cobnapint said:
Just seen on the news that parking at hospitals is presently free in Scotland and Wales.

Does this mean in the event of a Yes vote and the SNP's quest for a fairer society, that the Scots will have to start paying too..?

Oh, thought not.
Strange I guess I must have been sleep driving into Ninewells a month ago as I'm SURE it was £2 for 4 hours....maybe it was all those free fillings I get at the dentist..Oh hang on last time it was £25 that's right...readit

Edited by Mojocvh on Saturday 23 August 14:16
No, you're right about the parking at Ninewells.

Maybe you should get a free eye test at your optician though!


Wills2

22,669 posts

174 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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davepoth said:
The Barnett Formula. Scotland gets around £1500 per head of population more than England.
That's a huge amount of extra money, roughly £8 billion extra which is more that the annual tax take from north sea oil.




///ajd

8,964 posts

205 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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Looks like same concept of ops at play here:

http://texnat.org/

Check out the FAQ

1. Central Govt = baddies
2. Currency = we'll use whatever, no probs
3. We pay more than we get out
4. Borders = whatever, put em up, leave em down.
5. Won't companies leave? Nope!
6. Will the US invade us? Maybe (it actually says that)
7. Can I move there? Probably. But to avoid a queue, come now. (it actually says that)

Etc.



Edinburger

10,403 posts

167 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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Welcome to those new posters and/ or those who just emerged from a coma.

Hospital parking in Edinburgh - extortionate.
Dental bills in Edinburgh - expensive


University is free of charge for reasons which have been covered several times.

steviegunn

1,415 posts

183 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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Wills2 said:
davepoth said:
The Barnett Formula. Scotland gets around £1500 per head of population more than England.
That's a huge amount of extra money, roughly £8 billion extra which is more that the annual tax take from north sea oil.



Better to look at spending per head by region (2012/13):

£10,876 - Northern Ireland
£10,152 - Scotland
£9,709 - Wales
£9,435 - London
£9,419 - North East
£9,252 - North West
£8,610 - Yorkshire and the Humber
£8,529 - England
£8,498 - West Midlands
£8,219 - South West
£8,118 - East Midlands
£7,865 - East
£7,638 - South East

Figures from House of Commons Library.

Funk

26,254 posts

208 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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Edinburger said:
Welcome to those new posters and/ or those who just emerged from a coma.

Hospital parking in Edinburgh - extortionate.
Dental bills in Edinburgh - expensive


University is free of charge for reasons which have been covered several times.
Why shouldn't a university education be free to all students in the UK? Surely that's fair?

If there's enough money to blow on free uni places, you don't need the extra we're giving you.

steviegunn said:
£7,638 - South East
So those of us in the South East pay more for most things yet receive the least from the pot we're paying into. Nice.

Edited by Funk on Saturday 23 August 18:14

Troubleatmill

10,210 posts

158 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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Edinburger said:
Welcome to those new posters and/ or those who just emerged from a coma.

Hospital parking in Edinburgh - extortionate.
Dental bills in Edinburgh - expensive


University is free of charge for reasons which have been covered several times.
Hi Edinburger.

You never got back to me with what you thought of John Swinney's secret memo. ( The one that says... pensions will be cut, public sector workers cut, defence cut, oil revenues slashed )

Any thoughts?


Welshbeef has a £50 charity wager riding on this - if that is some motivation.

///ajd

8,964 posts

205 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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Edinburger said:
University is free of charge for reasons which have been covered several times.
Thing is burger, those in the rUK want to keep talking about this now, as the bravehearts have been going on about it and made us all sit up and pay attention.

Scotland gets loads more per head to deal with regional issues such as the sparse geography. It doesn't get loads more to starve its NHS, blame the rUK, and then give out free uni places to its millionaires and then have the cheek to deny them to the rUK but offer them to those in the EU. This is, you could say, taking the p*ss.

Westminster clearly needs to take tighter control over the way regional funding is fairly allocated to ensure it is not abused by rabid nationalists to puff up their ambitions of power.


confused_buyer

6,610 posts

180 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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To paraphrase Mark Twain "better to remain silent and let everyone think you might be having your cake and eating it rather than speak out and remove all doubt".

Scotland has a problem with Yes or No now. Yes, and it is bankrupt at current spending levels and No some serious questions are going to be continually asked in rUK about what a stupidly good deal Scotland gets.

Wills2

22,669 posts

174 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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steviegunn said:
Wills2 said:
davepoth said:
The Barnett Formula. Scotland gets around £1500 per head of population more than England.
That's a huge amount of extra money, roughly £8 billion extra which is more that the annual tax take from north sea oil.



Better to look at spending per head by region (2012/13):

£10,876 - Northern Ireland
£10,152 - Scotland
£9,709 - Wales
£9,435 - London
£9,419 - North East
£9,252 - North West
£8,610 - Yorkshire and the Humber
£8,529 - England
£8,498 - West Midlands
£8,219 - South West
£8,118 - East Midlands
£7,865 - East
£7,638 - South East

Figures from House of Commons Library.
Well that's is even worse for the Scots and blows a huge whole in Salmond's promise of a richer independent Scotland.


0a

23,879 posts

193 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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Is there the same data but for tax paid per head of population by region?

Cobnapint

8,596 posts

150 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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Mojocvh said:
Cobnapint said:
Just seen on the news that parking at hospitals is presently free in Scotland and Wales.

Does this mean in the event of a Yes vote and the SNP's quest for a fairer society, that the Scots will have to start paying too..?

Oh, thought not.
Strange I guess I must have been sleep driving into Ninewells a month ago as I'm SURE it was £2 for 4 hours....maybe it was all those free fillings I get at the dentist..Oh hang on last time it was £25 that's right...readit

Edited by Mojocvh on Saturday 23 August 14:16
I never mentioned dental treatment, but phew, what a relief you don't get free parking. There was me thinking we were being treated differently, when all along the UK was indeed United - as one.

We'll forget about the care for the elderly, free education and parliamentary voting rights shall we?

///ajd

8,964 posts

205 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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0a said:
Is there the same data but for tax paid per head of population by region?
This one should do.



Nearly all revenues - apart from alcohol and cigs - are lower in Scot than England, which are both higher than Wales & NI. The oil revenue looks large here but remember it is per capita on his graph - so on the UK bar (with 60m peeps) it is much smaller than for the Scot (5m).

England income tax is massively bigger than elsewhere (when multiplied up by 55m) but its all shared around. The same applies to oil, but to a lesser extent.

This is the really ugly thing about the Nationalist myth that it's "Scotland's oil". Well, much more revenue is England's income tax, but that is shared around the UK without anyone jumping up and down trying to e.g. ditch Wales and NI. Ironically, England can teach the Nationalists more about fairness and equality than in reverse, the cheeky charlatans!



Edited by ///ajd on Saturday 23 August 19:55

Derek Smith

45,513 posts

247 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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Still, look on the bright side. Come 18th Sept, although probably 19th, all this will be over and there will either be two separate states or else we'll all be living in harmony.
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