Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5
Discussion
Cobnapint said:
Mojocvh said:
Cobnapint said:
Just seen on the news that parking at hospitals is presently free in Scotland and Wales.
Does this mean in the event of a Yes vote and the SNP's quest for a fairer society, that the Scots will have to start paying too..?
Oh, thought not.
Strange I guess I must have been sleep driving into Ninewells a month ago as I'm SURE it was £2 for 4 hours....maybe it was all those free fillings I get at the dentist..Oh hang on last time it was £25 that's right...Does this mean in the event of a Yes vote and the SNP's quest for a fairer society, that the Scots will have to start paying too..?
Oh, thought not.
Edited by Mojocvh on Saturday 23 August 14:16
We'll forget about the care for the elderly, free education and parliamentary voting rights shall we?
Chlamydia said:
Welshbeef said:
Who is tuning into the BBC debate take 2?
I can't see the point, Salmond will just come out with the usual "Project Fear" b
ks and not answer any questions. I'll wait for the highlights I think.It's nothing more than a televised Yes campaign stand.
ianrb said:
Mojocvh said:
Cobnapint said:
Just seen on the news that parking at hospitals is presently free in Scotland and Wales.
Does this mean in the event of a Yes vote and the SNP's quest for a fairer society, that the Scots will have to start paying too..?
Oh, thought not.
Strange I guess I must have been sleep driving into Ninewells a month ago as I'm SURE it was £2 for 4 hours....maybe it was all those free fillings I get at the dentist..Oh hang on last time it was £25 that's right...Does this mean in the event of a Yes vote and the SNP's quest for a fairer society, that the Scots will have to start paying too..?
Oh, thought not.
Edited by Mojocvh on Saturday 23 August 14:16
Maybe you should get a free eye test at your optician though!
that turned out quite groooovy as a mater of fact.GetCarter said:
Mojocvh said:
Yeah but you know what they say about Raigmore and it ain't good is it.
I think they should knock it down and build a new Tesco king keyring!"///ajd said:
This one should do.
Nearly all revenues - apart from alcohol and cigs - are lower in Scot than England, which are both higher than Wales & NI. The oil revenue looks large here but remember it is per capita on his graph - so on the UK bar (with 60m peeps) it is much smaller than for the Scot (5m).
England income tax is massively bigger than elsewhere (when multiplied up by 55m) but its all shared around. The same applies to oil, but to a lesser extent.
This is the really ugly thing about the Nationalist myth that it's "Scotland's oil". Well, much more revenue is England's income tax, but that is shared around the UK without anyone jumping up and down trying to e.g. ditch Wales and NI. Ironically, England can teach the Nationalists more about fairness and equality than in reverse, the cheeky charlatans!
That will be a guesstimate at best. Nearly all revenues - apart from alcohol and cigs - are lower in Scot than England, which are both higher than Wales & NI. The oil revenue looks large here but remember it is per capita on his graph - so on the UK bar (with 60m peeps) it is much smaller than for the Scot (5m).
England income tax is massively bigger than elsewhere (when multiplied up by 55m) but its all shared around. The same applies to oil, but to a lesser extent.
This is the really ugly thing about the Nationalist myth that it's "Scotland's oil". Well, much more revenue is England's income tax, but that is shared around the UK without anyone jumping up and down trying to e.g. ditch Wales and NI. Ironically, England can teach the Nationalists more about fairness and equality than in reverse, the cheeky charlatans!
Edited by ///ajd on Saturday 23 August 19:55
My income tax is paid through a London tax office. I assume thousands if not millions of people are in the same boat is tax paid through the tax office of their employer which leads to misleading figures such as those.
I've asked before if this correct data exists and I'm repeatedly told it doesn't. Convenient?
steviegunn said:
Better to look at spending per head by region (2012/13):
£10,876 - Northern Ireland
£10,152 - Scotland
£9,709 - Wales
£9,435 - London
£9,419 - North East
£9,252 - North West
£8,610 - Yorkshire and the Humber
£8,529 - England
£8,498 - West Midlands
£8,219 - South West
£8,118 - East Midlands
£7,865 - East
£7,638 - South East
Figures from House of Commons Library.
Let's remember that the top three areas have the sparsest populations...£10,876 - Northern Ireland
£10,152 - Scotland
£9,709 - Wales
£9,435 - London
£9,419 - North East
£9,252 - North West
£8,610 - Yorkshire and the Humber
£8,529 - England
£8,498 - West Midlands
£8,219 - South West
£8,118 - East Midlands
£7,865 - East
£7,638 - South East
Figures from House of Commons Library.
Funk said:
So those of us in the South East pay more for most things yet receive the least from the pot we're paying into. Nice.
In my view, higher education should be free for all students. The Scottish view is also that it should be - and is - free to Scottish students. Edited by Funk on Saturday 23 August 18:14
Other areas choose to charge for university education so we have to charge students from those areas otherwise we'd have an unsustainable influx of students for free education.
I reposted about this recently. You should ask why your government chooses to charge rather than why the Scots do what they do.
Edinburger said:
steviegunn said:
Better to look at spending per head by region (2012/13):
£10,876 - Northern Ireland
£10,152 - Scotland
£9,709 - Wales
£9,435 - London
£9,419 - North East
£9,252 - North West
£8,610 - Yorkshire and the Humber
£8,529 - England
£8,498 - West Midlands
£8,219 - South West
£8,118 - East Midlands
£7,865 - East
£7,638 - South East
Figures from House of Commons Library.
Let's remember that the top three areas have the sparsest populations...£10,876 - Northern Ireland
£10,152 - Scotland
£9,709 - Wales
£9,435 - London
£9,419 - North East
£9,252 - North West
£8,610 - Yorkshire and the Humber
£8,529 - England
£8,498 - West Midlands
£8,219 - South West
£8,118 - East Midlands
£7,865 - East
£7,638 - South East
Figures from House of Commons Library.
So public services cost more per head in Scotland, ceterus paribus.
Then we are able to spend more on top of that, too.
Edinburger said:
That will be a guesstimate at best.
My income tax is paid through a London tax office. I assume thousands if not millions of people are in the same boat is tax paid through the tax office of their employer which leads to misleading figures such as those.
I've asked before if this correct data exists and I'm repeatedly told it doesn't. Convenient?
We've been through this before, too, and I've answered you thusly:My income tax is paid through a London tax office. I assume thousands if not millions of people are in the same boat is tax paid through the tax office of their employer which leads to misleading figures such as those.
I've asked before if this correct data exists and I'm repeatedly told it doesn't. Convenient?
If more favourable data for Scotland existed, you can bet your bottom groat that the SNP/yes camp would've had it splattered all over the papers and websites.
Are you using uncertainty over tax receipts as a reason to vote yes? I hope not.
Surely we are all agreed that:
Scotland taxes more than the UK with oil receipts
Scotland spends more than the UK.
Independence costs money as a one-off and ongoing.
Independence will cause uncertainty and likelihood of reduced tax receipts.
Edinburger said:
That will be a guesstimate at best.
My income tax is paid through a London tax office. I assume thousands if not millions of people are in the same boat is tax paid through the tax office of their employer which leads to misleading figures such as those.
I've asked before if this correct data exists and I'm repeatedly told it doesn't. Convenient?
Surely this would be more than offset by the thousands of UK small businesses like mine who are based in England, Wales, and Northern Ireland but who process their on-line PAYE using Cumbernauld?My income tax is paid through a London tax office. I assume thousands if not millions of people are in the same boat is tax paid through the tax office of their employer which leads to misleading figures such as those.
I've asked before if this correct data exists and I'm repeatedly told it doesn't. Convenient?
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